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10.30.2012 , 04:05 PM | #391
Just double checked. That's all the info we have. There's nothing I can draw a conclusion from. The absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. - Carl Segan
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10.30.2012 , 04:10 PM | #392
Well...this discussion didn't go in the direction I expected it would.

There is no need to call into question the honesty or qualification of the person presenting a view. Some of the posters here are well known to work in certain fields and are privy to certain viewpoints...that does not mean they are conclusive opinions or not open to scrutiny, but to question someones direct qualifications or ethics to serve in some way to invalidate their opinion....silly IMO.

You can tear apart the opinion, but I really feel there is no need to tear apart the person no matter how much you might dislike or disagree with their opinions.

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10.30.2012 , 04:10 PM | #393
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The Electronic Arts Q2 FY2013 earnings report just came out. The information EA provided about about Star Wars: The Old Republic is sparse. No subscription numbers.

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I am so SURPRISED !!!!! .... not

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10.30.2012 , 04:19 PM | #394
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I am so SURPRISED !!!!! .... not
I actually think that was a wise move. I expect the subs are much lower now, around the 300k range (with no basis other than my feelings on the matter and the loss rate prior to this point) but they are not as relevant since they are moving to a new business model.

The important numbers will be in the next call, to see how many have picked up the game once it goes free to play.

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Tim-ONeil
10.30.2012 , 04:20 PM | #395
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well...this discussion didn't go in the direction I expected it would.

There is no need to call into question the honesty or qualification of the person presenting a view. Some of the posters here are well known to work in certain fields and are privy to certain viewpoints...that does not mean they are conclusive opinions or not open to scrutiny, but to question someones direct qualifications or ethics to serve in some way to invalidate their opinion....silly IMO.

You can tear apart the opinion, but I really feel there is no need to tear apart the person no matter how much you might dislike or disagree with their opinions.
This is why I respect you. We may disagree but it's going to be about an idea, not personal or mean spirited. I'd still go out for a drink with you even though we don't agree on SWTOR.

There are a few others in this thread that aren't able to handle that type of discussion and would disagree with anything said just to do so and are continuing to do so now. It's personal to them. I'm not offended by it, I expected it much sooner than this to be honest.
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10.30.2012 , 04:23 PM | #396
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I actually think that was a wise move. I expect the subs are much lower now, around the 300k range
Evidence seems to point more towards 400k.
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10.30.2012 , 04:26 PM | #397
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
This is why I respect you. We may disagree but it's going to be about an idea, not personal or mean spirited. I'd still go out for a drink with you even though we don't agree on SWTOR.

There are a few others in this thread that aren't able to handle that type of discussion and would disagree with anything said just to do so and are continuing to do so now. It's personal to them. I'm not offended by it, I expected it much sooner than this to be honest.
Thank you Tim.

We do rarely agree, but I enjoy our discussions none the less.

Opposing opinions are what the game boards are all about.

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Roalmo
10.30.2012 , 04:26 PM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I actually think that was a wise move. I expect the subs are much lower now, around the 300k range (with no basis other than my feelings on the matter and the loss rate prior to this point)(my thoughts are its higher, around 600k, seems some folks came back to get the Cartel coinage.. just a WAG like yours ) but they are not as relevant since they are moving to a new business model.

The important numbers will be in the next call, to see how many have picked up the game once it goes free to play.
Dunno a bout the orange quote.. most FTP numbers are suspicious, once a free-to-player always always a FTP and counted always since you can't quit.. so any numbers from here out are really... well .. just dam SILLY.

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Tim-ONeil
10.30.2012 , 04:36 PM | #399
Keep in mind that speculation in the absence of evidence is just that. With F2P set to launch in the next 2 weeks (my guess) holding back the numbers makes sense. Let the marking team hype the game for F2P launch

Any guess at this point is just a guess even if you try to base it on your in game experience it's not going to be accurate. With that limitation there's nothing to debate since nothing is based on facts since we have none from this call. Since they didn't change the data I would believe the old estimate is still valid.

The thread has run it's course for now.
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10.30.2012 , 04:56 PM | #400
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The thread has run it's course for now.
Hehe.. I think the thread is still good for a few random "drive bys" and probably a couple people still have a horse or two they are not sure is dead yet.

That said, I applaud the time and effort you took on this thread and for the generally good theme and tone of debate and discussion (with a few exceptions of course, the world imperfect and all, and people being projections of the imperfections in the world...or perhaps embodiments of imperfection expressed).
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.
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