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The sky isn't falling. A numbers based view.

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The sky isn't falling. A numbers based view.

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Tim-ONeil
10.30.2012 , 01:50 PM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Awwe...I'm disappointed Andryah. With as passionately as you have defend this game, I totally assumed you were a 1 MMO type of person. Knowing you actively play 3, while professing to know so much about this game, discredits much of your view on SWTOR for me. Where I once thought maybe you just had a different perspective on things, I now just see a "nomadic" outsider who dabbles in a few games, not fully investing in any one. I'm just shocked at that revelation. I really enjoyed debating with you because I felt you were passionate and thought you knew what you were talking about
Stop for a second, does this make any sense TUXs? She still pays to be here, regardless of what else is on the PC.

Is this the only game you play at all? I would be totally embarrassed to show you the last one month of my time tracked on Xfire for SWTOR. I've also played Civ V for a good chunk of time this month, NHL 2013 on the 360, as well as F-1 2012 on my racing sim: http://imageshack.us/a/img818/8863/imag0070qw.jpg

I guess I'm not dedicated enough to have your respect

However I'm able to do all of this because I work from home and do a 4 x10 schedule giving me 3 days in a row off every week. It's amazing work if you can get it.
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CosmicKat
10.30.2012 , 02:08 PM | #362
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
You seem have this habit of posting things you don't seem to understand and presenting them as "proof" of things they are not.

Companies do many things with the specifics of "game accounts" without it being illegal in any way, yet that number need not be remotely close to "actively subscribed accounts".
Exactly.

Case in point:
All companies must now accurately disclose all assets, including inventories on things that cost more to inventory than they are worth.
To bypass these rules is complicated and requires a cardboard box, a Sharpie and the writing of "Do not count" on the box.

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TUXs
10.30.2012 , 02:08 PM | #363
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
Stop for a second, does this make any sense TUXs? She still pays to be here, regardless of what else is on the PC.

Is this the only game you play at all? I would be totally embarrassed to show you the last one month of my time tracked on Xfire for SWTOR. I've also played Civ V for a good chunk of time this month, NHL 2013 on the 360, as well as F-1 2012 on my racing sim: http://imageshack.us/a/img818/8863/imag0070qw.jpg

I guess I'm not dedicated enough to have your respect
This is the ONLY game I play - aside from Word Shaker on my phone - my 'play time' is limited.

It's not about "respect" Tim, I have plenty for both you and Andryah. It's that it clearly changes my perspective on your opinions on things about THIS game.

I'm here. I focus on this game. I want THIS game to succeed, so I will never try to be offensive towards players like I've seen others do. When I stand behind a players issue, it's because I can relate to what they are seeing and experiencing, either because I've seen it myself, or because I know others experiencing the same.

I do my best to keep my guild healthy, active and alive server to server to server, through the various policy changes and name wipes, with the massive nerf to PvP, the ridiculously restrictive lockout timer on Ops...these are all things that have greatly impacted me, or the people I play with. When I get frustrated with this game, I don't log off and head to another, I look for a solution here.

I don't lose any respect for either of you - but your opinions, which tend to be confrontational to the masses, all mean less to me because of this revelation. I simply assumed that, given the passion you tend to post with, obviously you were a dedicated player, I didn't realize you were so casual.
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Roechacca
10.30.2012 , 02:29 PM | #364
I play multiple MMO's. I keep a sub here only because I love the game, not because it's the best game. I hope "one day" Bioware will make it the Best Game. Or Walt Disney... hell I don't care at this point who does.

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MaximusRex
10.30.2012 , 02:31 PM | #365
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
There is nothing scientific about this thread, it's just statistics and whilst they can be used to help see the wood for the trees, they are not in and of themselves "scientific", any more than sticking a drink in a Erlenmeyer Flask embues it with "science".
Um, Statistics is considered a scientific field of study.

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Roechacca
10.30.2012 , 02:35 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
Um, Statistics is considered a scientific field of study.
ya but it's like scientology being a field of science to study. We all chuckle from the cheap seats.....

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Andryah
10.30.2012 , 02:35 PM | #367
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Awwe...I'm disappointed Andryah. With as passionately as you have defend this game, I totally assumed you were a 1 MMO type of person. Knowing you actively play 3, while professing to know so much about this game, discredits much of your view on SWTOR for me. Where I once thought maybe you just had a different perspective on things, I now just see a "nomadic" outsider who dabbles in a few games, not fully investing in any one. I'm just shocked at that revelation. I really enjoyed debating with you because I felt you were passionate and thought you knew what you were talking about
Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time.

And your disappointment is self-inflicted IMO.
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LordArtemis
10.30.2012 , 02:44 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I played lotro up until beta for this game. While there were certainly some positives to their model (many actually), there were also some very big things I completely disagreed with - and they all seem to have started with the last F2P expansion where they began going P2W.

Truthfully, the best thing to happen to lotro was probably SWTOR. SWTOR showed just how well Turbine had done with things like 'companions', 'scalable instances' and the entire UI. I knew many people who came here...and quickly left.
Fair enough, but my point was that Andryah could have some insight into the F2P model because of being an active LotRO player.

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Andryah
10.30.2012 , 02:46 PM | #369
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
You seem have this habit of posting things you don't seem to understand and presenting them as "proof" of things they are not.
Now that, Goretzu, is more irony then I ever gave you credit for.

Seriously, the days of phony inventory boxing and mis-labeling of data is gone in corporate america. The weenies who have to sign-off on the documents are too chicken to do simple things like this anymore because the penalties are so stiff and punative.

Further, after Anderson went under for looking the other way as Enron's auditor.... the independent auditing firms are real pain the backside to the corporations these days and spend lots of time poking in places where they never did before.... BECAUSE they too must sign off on the companies financials and risk prison, massive fines, and confiscation of assets if they are caught asleep at the switch.

Do companies still work hard to put the best light on their financials? Yes.. they do. I know, because I consult for a number of prominant ones in the tech sector specificly on SOX compliance and corporate best practices (its a booming consulting business these days). But I can tell you for a fact that they steer wide and clear from the kinds of shenanigans you and CosmicKat are throwing around like chew toys in this thread. There is simply too much risk to the executives personally under SOX to take silly risks like you and CK are suggesting here.
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Goretzu
10.30.2012 , 02:49 PM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
Um, Statistics is considered a scientific field of study.
Well it's the mathmatics of collecting and interperation data IMO, but some might refer to it as a "science", however Chemistry is a "science", but that doesn't mean making a mess in the kitchen sink with random stuff you found in your cupboards is therefore "science" or "scientific".

Although there are no real "statistics" in this thread (just a lot of dodgy data and adding up), the last SWTOR data point is too variable for most to even be tried.
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