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ops groups shouldn't be allowed to que for regular wz's.

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ops groups shouldn't be allowed to que for regular wz's.

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ArchangelLBC
10.26.2012 , 02:21 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Veniras View Post
The "Solo queue" button is there for a reason.

Allowing PUGS to meet premades is an imbalalance issue that slowly will drive PUGGERS away and discourage new PVP'ers
The reason for the solo que button is to allow people to play the game even if they don't have a group. There's a huge difference between that and actively discouraging people from forming premades.

Just like how you can queue for story mode operations, but that doesn't make them harder if you form a group on your own first.

If someone is discouraged enough by getting rolled that they don't want to solo queue any more, they have two options. Don't PVP any more, or form their own premade. If they make a premade and then still get rolled bad enough to not want to PVP anymore, then that's not an issue of not liking it when you run into a premade, that's not liking it when you run into players that are better than you.

Either way saying "we'll separate the brackets, and those premade teams will just have to suck up the longer queue times if they insist on playing with their friends!" is as stupid as it is shortsighted.

Have BW implement a cross server queue and then I think the suggestion of split brackets has some merit.
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Veniras
10.26.2012 , 03:04 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
Either way saying "we'll separate the brackets, and those premade teams will just have to suck up the longer queue times if they insist on playing with their friends!" is as stupid as it is shortsighted.
Quite the opposite. Not seperating the queues is shortsighted. I'm fairly convinced more ppl solo queue than premading and not sepereating the queues is more detrimental to the pvp playerbase. You will lose more PVP'ers by NOT fixing that imbalance problem.

Having to form a premade just to enjoy PVP should not be a requirement. That is just bad design. And if that was the intention then they would never have put a "solo queue" button.

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SajPl
10.26.2012 , 03:19 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Veniras View Post
Quite the opposite. Not seperating the queues is shortsighted. I'm fairly convinced more ppl solo queue than premading and not sepereating the queues is more detrimental to the pvp playerbase. You will lose more PVP'ers by NOT fixing that imbalance problem.

Having to form a premade just to enjoy PVP should not be a requirement. That is just bad design. And if that was the intention then they would never have put a "solo queue" button.
If there are more solo quers than premades then how is it possible that solo quers loose to premades all the time and have to moan and qq about it all that time?
I mean seriously I see a good player in a warzone I ask if he wants to play together, I see a good healer I ask if he wants a dedicated tank.
I'm quing with competent people because I CANT STAND 4 pugs getting ninjacapped by 2 imps.
You are not loosing because forming a 4 man group is an autowin you are loosing because you are ignoring the objectives and outright bad (not meaning anyone specifically).
See a good player - ask to make a group, make a group, there, you just eliminated a baddy from your team by quing with another good player.
When you loose dont blame a premade, blame your team for being bad - it does NOT take a premade to figure out that if mid is empty, maby all the enemies are attacking the side turret.
I have been in some amazingly well coordinated pug groups because people used their brains unlike some horribly bad players that cant grasp that if 7 of them are killing 1 enemy, the rest of the enemy team is capping the other turret.

I usually que with 1-2 other people that is not enough for ranked, we play together, we spend time together, we have fun together. So is quing with 1 other person already a premade autowin ?

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TipsyDrow
10.26.2012 , 03:43 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Veniras View Post
The "Solo queue" button is there for a reason.

Allowing PUGS to meet premades is an imbalalance issue that slowly will drive PUGGERS away and discourage new PVP'ers
Let me preface first by saying I am in no way a great pvper, heck I might not even be average. I sometimes run the hutball the wrong way....but I try my best each match to fill my role in what ever class I'm on.

I'm gonna have to dissagree with your statement. I recently resubbed after being gone for 5 months. I pugged back then and I pug now. I nor anyone I knew back then on The Jekk Jekk tarr unsubbed because of going against premades. We unsubbed because of the complete debacle 1.2 was for pvp in general. So no, that's not really an issue at all as puggers can and do play well together against premades. Ya know, just....take that 5 seconds before the match to speak, call incs, rotate between objectives, mark and focus......so forth and so on.

That adressed, lets move on to the gear part of the premades vs fresh 50's puggers

I left the game shortly after 1.2 so upon my return I had no war hero gear, heck I still some centurion and champ pieces equipped...ahhh the nostalgia..I replaced them with the new recruit stuff so i had a mix of BM and recruit on a sage healer and a vanguard tank. Basically not much better off equipped then someone who just hits 50 and has saved and capped comms. Again I only pug. Wasn't that bad to be honest. Seriously...it's just not that big a difference. Didn't take to long to replace those recruit pieces with BM pieces. Now I have augmented mostly everything. I saw no reason not to. So again....nothing to complain about.

This is an MMO. People have friends they joined with. People make friends in game they enjoy grouping with. Bioware would be insane to tell these people that just because they have good gear,group and talk on vent that they can't participate in normal WZ's. As others have pointed out, you have the option to group up with others and use voice chat. Get raidcall it's free to download,free to use. Set up your own room and invite 3 folks you know!!
We who choose to pug have no right to demand our own solo que.. None.
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Veniras
10.26.2012 , 04:21 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by TipsyDrow View Post
We who choose to pug have no right to demand our own solo que.. None.
Fortunately we have the right to unsub or stop to PVP for lack of a solo queue.

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Didy_Kush
10.26.2012 , 04:53 AM | #26
Only bads complain about this **** up scrubs and get friends