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So Bioware is not backing down from the "Grab Bags"

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Quraswren
10.25.2012 , 09:59 AM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
Please visit the following link:

http://www.swtor.com/free

There you will see the following:

Cartel Coins
Cartel Coins can be used for the purchase of great in-game items through the Cartel Market, coming soon! Loyal subscribers can spend their Cartel Coin rewards on items, including:

Kowakian Monkey Lizard Pet
Get one of these lively little mascots, a favorite of the Hutts.

Sith Meditation Throne
Harness the Dark Side of the Force™ in the most menacing manner with your own personal Meditation Throne.

Lost Helm of Darth Nihilus
Strike fear into your enemies’ hearts with this legendary mask from the mysterious Sith Lord who stalked the galaxy in the years after the Jedi Civil War.

FALSE ADVERTISING

You are not able to purchase any of these items with Cartel Coins. You have to purchase "Packs" which cost 360 Cartel Coins. All of the items ADVERTISED on the SWTOR web site are super rare drops from these "Packs". You can't just go to the Cartel Market and purchase them as advertised right here on SWTOR.com. In fact, the MAJORITY of new "Cartel" items are not for sale directly through the Cartel Market. They are only available through random Cartel Packs.

Cartel Coins can NOT, "be used for the purchase of great in-game items through the Cartel Market" as advertised. It's a total and utter SCAM. Talk about NERD RAGE? Wait until people start spending their real life currency to find out they've been scammed. This is not how you treat your, "Loyal Customers". Wow...
Well that puts things in perspective doesn't it.

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TheBBP
10.25.2012 , 10:22 AM | #302
I love the idea of a grab bag. Every example of things that I have seen to come out of them always contained something that was fricken sweet. It's kinda like opening a pack of trading cards and randomly getting a rare one. I dig it.

It's only a gamble if you put an expectation on what you are going to get. If you are out for the random rare, it can be a lot of fun.
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Andryah
10.25.2012 , 10:28 AM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by RSLeMire View Post
We as a community should not stand for this kind of economic bullying and I would be glad to file suit.
Dude.... it's a game, not real life, and a voluntary form of entertainment. They cannot bully you on anything economically. The only person that can bully you weconomically in a virtual game environment is yourself (and you have to willingly play the victim role in order to do so. Further, you can only speak for yourself, not others. Stop projecting.
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Soluss
10.25.2012 , 10:29 AM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Actually it's never been tested.

The EU recent ruled that legally you owned games (even though what they tried to sell you was a licence for a couple of installs etc. - remember what people try to sell you doesn't make it legal, nor indeed does any random thing in a contract make it legal), so it quite possible they would rule in a similar way with online games when/if it is legally tested.


Again though I ask when you by a lottery ticket you are getting a ticket (which is what you buy) that also has a random chance to include access to a lot of cash, so that isn't "gambling" either?

Lottery tickets have a random chance at nothing. Boxes always give you something. If you consider this gambling then so is buying any form of cards like baseball cards or magic the gathering. Gambling would also be gumball machines or any machine that gives you toys in those little plastic things.

You aren't going to win this one.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Andryah
10.25.2012 , 10:31 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Lottery tickets have a random chance at nothing. Boxes always give you something. If you consider this gambling then so is buying any form of cards like baseball cards or magic the gathering. Gambling would also be gumball machines or any machine that gives you toys in those little plastic things.

You aren't going to win this one.
I agree. By Goretzu's narrow definition, just about everything in this game is a gamble because you pay a subscription and are guaranteeedf nothing in the form of in game virtual items (other then acual virtual perks included with the box at time of purchase. They don't even guarantee enjoyment of the game, as that is on the player to self deliver.

I'm just surprised that Goretzu has not played the Warhammer card in the discussion yet.
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TheBBP
10.25.2012 , 10:32 AM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I agree. By Goretsu's narrow definition, just about everything in this game is a gamble because you pay a subscription and are guaranteeedf nothing in the form of in game virtual items (other then acual virtual perks included with the box at time of purchase.
It would be like suing BW/EA for loot drops. You go into a HM or Op not knowing for sure if you are going to get the loot that you want or need. You spend a long time in there, don't get your loot, get mad and then labeling that as gambling. It is an absurd notion at best.
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Soluss
10.25.2012 , 10:38 AM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
Slot machines are not all or nothing... yet they are called gambling.

Call out EA to give you PRECISE percentages for ALL the possible drops and see for yourself. Do you know what`s funny? They never will.
Slot machines can indeed return nothing. Grab bags always return something.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Goretzu
10.25.2012 , 10:40 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Lottery tickets have a random chance at nothing. Boxes always give you something. If you consider this gambling then so is buying any form of cards like baseball cards or magic the gathering. Gambling would also be gumball machines or any machine that gives you toys in those little plastic things.

You aren't going to win this one.
Grab bags/trading card bags are considered lotteries legally (dispite a lot of people arguing the opposite ), now whether this extends to virtual items yet, I dunno.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Dude.... it's a game, not real life
Life is a game, it's THE game.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Goretzu
10.25.2012 , 10:41 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I agree. By Goretzu's narrow definition, just about everything in this game is a gamble because you pay a subscription and are guaranteeedf nothing in the form of in game virtual items (other then acual virtual perks included with the box at time of purchase. They don't even guarantee enjoyment of the game, as that is on the player to self deliver.

I'm just surprised that Goretzu has not played the Warhammer card in the discussion yet.
Grabs bag are classed as "lotteries" (which obviously means the are classes and licensed as "gambling"). When I'm right, I'm right! Read up.

(Warhammer Online never had these when I played it, dunno about now)
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Tim-ONeil
10.25.2012 , 10:47 AM | #310
Arguing about it it's gambling, legal, or otherwise is a waste of your time.

Ultimately you don't get to make that decision.
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