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So Bioware is not backing down from the "Grab Bags"

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So Bioware is not backing down from the "Grab Bags"

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Tim-ONeil
10.24.2012 , 05:12 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraiven View Post
Really.
Well I can say this, I don't believe it it for one second. Only you and Bioware will know for sure though in a few months.
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Liquidacid
10.24.2012 , 05:23 PM | #182
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Well I can say this, I don't believe it it for one second. Only you and Bioware will know for sure though in a few months.
man it's the same as it always is... people will whine and complain because they can while still using said feature anyway... we see it in this game everyday with the people who have been here since launch and sub every month yet do nothing but say this game is the most horrible abomination ever created and is gonna die at any moment...

as far as the random bags go it will go the same way it did in STO with their lock box fest... the vocal minority will outrage about it while the item continues to sell extremely well... then you will see said person who was claiming lock boxes ruin the game and claiming that he would NEVER be so dumb as to buy one running around in game with a full load of items available only from lock boxes
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Wraiven
10.24.2012 , 05:24 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
Well I can say this, I don't believe it it for one second. Only you and Bioware will know for sure though in a few months.
You can believe whatever you want to believe. What you believe is not my concern. Bioware not making one red cent off me to those grab bags is.
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PlagaNerezza
10.24.2012 , 05:24 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
This have been said by someone else, either in this thread of one of the others.... for all practical purposes "gambling" in the legal sense (ie: legal enforcement) is generally enforced in two contexts by goverment: 1) to prevent harm to the public (and harm has to be proven, not just alleged) 2) to capture revenue from the enterprise, which is the more common reason for governments to apply statute and enforcement on anything in commerce, be it buying, selling, gambling, whatever. Grab bags as virutal items inside a virtual world do not meet either test in any material sense. Sure, people can apply broad meaning to the term "gambling" to press a bias, a preference, or a moral standard, but unless 1 or 2 above is material.... there is no gambling in the context of statue enforcement. There is however a game of chance in play here... which is what grab bags are, but then again, so is running an instance for boss loot in the game proper.
I assure you that the government could argue harm and lost revenue if it wants.

Virtual things sold for cash IMO have a pretty valid case that if Bioware where to ever shutdown this game that you'd be entitled to a refund. Its a potential problem with grab bags of items, because unlike "collectible" cards or other non-sense you keep those cards you got.

If you paid money for a virtual grab bag. Got items and then Bioware folded the game I think you deserve every penny you paid for those items.
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10.24.2012 , 05:27 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Liquidacid View Post
man it's the same as it always is... people will whine and complain because they can while still using said feature anyway... we see it in this game everyday with the people who have been here since launch and sub every month yet do nothing but say this game is the most horrible abomination ever created and is gonna die at any moment...

as far as the random bags go it will go the same way it did in STO with their lock box fest... the vocal minority will outrage about it while the item continues to sell extremely well... then you will see said person who was claiming lock boxes ruin the game and claiming that he would NEVER be so dumb as to buy one running around in game with a full load of items available only from lock boxes

Show me, in this thread...I CHALLENGE YOU...where I say anywhere even remotely close to being "This game is dieing, these lock boxes will be the end of this game...blah blah blah." I challenge you. As far as STO goes...I played that game from beta, all the way until they went free to play. Now, if you can find me in that game anywhere...or have seen me in that game since it went F2P, then I will buy you a grab bag. Good luck with that. Your whole post has been mythbusted.
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Andryah
10.24.2012 , 05:28 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by PlagaNerezza View Post
If you paid money for a virtual grab bag. Got items and then Bioware folded the game I think you deserve every penny you paid for those items.
I think you need to read the terms of service for this MMO (and really all MMOs). ALL content, including items such as what is sold in the cartel shop belong to the game producer. It's their IP, and your only rights to them are to use them in game for whatever duration they are in game and the game is on-line.
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Liquidacid
10.24.2012 , 05:29 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraiven View Post
You can believe whatever you want to believe. What you believe is not my concern. Bioware not making one red cent off me to those grab bags is.
and that will last until you see someone run by with that uber cool bad *** XXX item you always wanted and you ask where they got it ....

Quote: Originally Posted by Wraiven View Post
Show me, in this thread...I CHALLENGE YOU...where I say anywhere even remotely close to being "This game is dieing, these lock boxes will be the end of this game...blah blah blah." I challenge you. As far as STO goes...I played that game from beta, all the way until they went free to play. Now, if you can find me in that game anywhere...or have seen me in that game since it went F2P, then I will buy you a grab bag. Good luck with that. Your whole post has been mythbusted.
no it hasn't... but the whole point and context of it did manage to fly right over your head
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Wraiven
10.24.2012 , 05:30 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Liquidacid View Post
and that will last until you see someone run by with that uber cool bad *** XXX item you always wanted and you ask where they got it ....
No, it will last until I see one for sale out right on the Cartel store, or until somebody sells one on the market. Nice try though.
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Wraiven
10.24.2012 , 05:32 PM | #189
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and that will last until you see someone run by with that uber cool bad *** XXX item you always wanted and you ask where they got it ....



no it hasn't... but the whole point and context of it did manage to fly right over your head
Whatever you say, pal.
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Kyuuu
10.24.2012 , 05:42 PM | #190
and it begins the pay 2 win trend so many mmos windup doing when they go f2p I guess i will see how bw and ea run this game in to the ground like Gravity did with iRO