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An in-depth look at: Lightsaber Forms- Soresu

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An in-depth look at: Lightsaber Forms- Soresu

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Aurbere
10.17.2012 , 06:52 PM | #1
"Hello there!"- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Master of Soresu

This thread's topic is on Soresu. Master Cin Drallig continues his recording in the Great Holocron...

Form III, also called Soresu, was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. As an ever-increasing variety of blaster weapons became available to military factions as well as criminals, Jedi had to revise their lightsaber skills to defend themselves. Originally, the basic principle of Form III was "laserblast" deflection training. This Form maximizes defensive protection in a style characterized by tight, efficient movements that expose minimal target areas when compared with the relatively open style of some other forms. Over many centuries, Form III has evolved into a highly refined expression of nonaggressive Jedi philosophy. True masters of Form III have long been considered invincible; although not always able to overcome their adversaries, no Form III masters have ever been defeated.

So what do we know about Soresu? We know that it can create the ultimate defense against ranged and melee weapons. The Form allows the user to make themselves a bulwark against enemy attacks. This is not to imply that Form III users are instantly invincible. It takes a true master of Soresu in order to achieve that. But it is a Form that was created foremost to protect against blaster fire, but with the return of the Sith, Soresu has become an effective defense against the other lightsaber forms. Soresu is capable of defeating opponents who use many diverse forms. Forms like Shii-Cho, Makashi and Djem So will eventually become supplanted by the sturdy defenses of Soresu.

This is not to say that Soresu is without weakness. Aggressive forms like the Juyo form and Djem So, as well as Makashi, can also best Soresu. Soresu is best in the long run, tiring out the opponent and striking at the vulnerable points in the enemy's defenses. But aggressive tactics, implemented correctly, can overwhelm the defenses of Soresu. This is, of course, limited to the users of each Forms ability to either push an attack or keep their defenses. This is evident, most famously, in the duel between Anakin and Kenobi. Kenobi's mastery of Soresu allowed him to control the Lightsaber duel and change the tide whenever he wished. Why he did not is subject to debate.

The Form itself is a solid defensive Form that has more strengths than weaknesses. It's biggest weakness is its lack of offensive capabilities. Soresu users keep the defensive and strike when a hole in the enemy is open.

Notable Masters of Form III: Obi-Wan Kenobi

If you missed the previous two forms you can find them here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=544646 for Makashi

And here for Shii-Cho: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=544477

I hope you all enjoyed this topic. Next is Form IV of Ataru.

As always. If you have a topic you would like to see in the future, post them below or send me a message.
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Darth_Scelestus
10.17.2012 , 07:20 PM | #2
Another great post

How are these forms (which I'm guessing were designed with the standard single-lightsaber style in mind) used by Jedi/Sith wielding a double-ended saber (or saberstaff) and those wielding two lightsabers? Is there a different "style" of Soresu that is designed for those with such exotic weapons? It seems to me that a defensive form like Soresu would be well-suited to someone with multiple saber blades.

In essence, if a duel-wielding Jedi took up Soresu, would it be Soresu, or something else?

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Preventer-Blaze
10.17.2012 , 07:34 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Scelestus View Post
Another great post

How are these forms (which I'm guessing were designed with the standard single-lightsaber style in mind) used by Jedi/Sith wielding a double-ended saber (or saberstaff) and those wielding two lightsabers? Is there a different "style" of Soresu that is designed for those with such exotic weapons? It seems to me that a defensive form like Soresu would be well-suited to someone with multiple saber blades.

In essence, if a duel-wielding Jedi took up Soresu, would it be Soresu, or something else?
/\ This, I always have that in mind. I know (from somewhere, or so I think) someone who use Double-bladed Lightsaber with the Form III/Soresu, but I kinda don't remember (know) anyone with 2 sabers.

Did you can point out anyone, Aurbere?

And great post, keep up the good work.

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Aurbere
10.17.2012 , 07:41 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Scelestus View Post
Another great post

How are these forms (which I'm guessing were designed with the standard single-lightsaber style in mind) used by Jedi/Sith wielding a double-ended saber (or saberstaff) and those wielding two lightsabers? Is there a different "style" of Soresu that is designed for those with such exotic weapons? It seems to me that a defensive form like Soresu would be well-suited to someone with multiple saber blades.

In essence, if a duel-wielding Jedi took up Soresu, would it be Soresu, or something else?
Not to my knowledge. Many Jedi prefer the standard single blade, but those who use multiple weapons prefer more aggressive styles such as Makashi or Ataru. These forms work best with multiple blades.

I will note that Darth Zannah was a practitioner of Soresu form, but the form itself works best with single blades. It allows the Jedi to keep a tight form and minimize target zone exposure.

And thank you both for the feedback.
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Preventer-Blaze
10.17.2012 , 07:53 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Not to my knowledge. Many Jedi prefer the standard single blade, but those who use multiple weapons prefer more aggressive styles such as Makashi or Ataru. These forms work best with multiple blades.

I will note that Darth Zannah was a practitioner of Soresu form, but the form itself works best with single blades. It allows the Jedi to keep a tight form and minimize target zone exposure.

And thank you both for the feedback.
Yes, she, but there where someone elso too, no? Someone huge, in clone wars..
Well, it's something else, I want to know if, when you finish the Forms, you'll talk about the Force, hmm.. Telekineses, you know? Not really that too, the ones who use the force to wield multiple lightsabers (Traya?). People says that this is the case with Tulak Hord, but I really never know much about him.

Sorry to just goes around, but that's it. I'm really looking foward to see Niman, through!

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Aurbere
10.17.2012 , 08:00 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Preventer-Blaze View Post
Yes, she, but there where someone elso too, no? Someone huge, in clone wars..
Well, it's something else, I want to know if, when you finish the Forms, you'll talk about the Force, hmm.. Telekineses, you know? Not really that too, the ones who use the force to wield multiple lightsabers (Traya?). People says that this is the case with Tulak Hord, but I really never know much about him.

Sorry to just goes around, but that's it. I'm really looking foward to see Niman, through!
Grievous? I'm drawing a blank right now.

I will be doing the Force. I've got a book documenting all of the known Force powers in history so that will be interesting. There will be many Force powers I'm sure many do not know of.

Niman is actually an interesting form that I'm sure many are interested in.
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ToEasy
10.17.2012 , 08:01 PM | #7
Good thread. And I think that a thread on the force would be cool too. Like one thread focusing on the darkside and another focusing on the lightside.
"Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. We fight for justice because justice is the fundamental bedrock of civilization: an unjust civilization is built upon sand. It does not long survive a storm." - Mace Windu

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Aurbere
10.17.2012 , 08:04 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ToEasy View Post
Good thread. And I think that a thread on the force would be cool too. Like one thread focusing on the darkside and another focusing on the lightside.
I'll probably deal with the Light and the Dark Sides in that series, but for the most part it will focus on Force abilities. Many rare and interesting Force abilities indeed.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Newyankalt
10.17.2012 , 09:57 PM | #9
Not too sure but was Revan a Soresu form user. It was a great thread interesting read. I'm going to catch up on your previous lightsaber form threads.

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BlznSmri
10.17.2012 , 10:06 PM | #10
In regards to the use of Dual sabers for Soresu: It would require an adaptation of Soresu to accomplish. However, the nature of lightsaber duels, and the use of two weapons limits the defensive capabilities of the practitioner, primarily in that the defender would be blocking 2 handed attacks with one hand, allowing them to be overpowered easier, or in an X fashion (catching the opponent's saber in the fork of the sabers) which would completely negate the advantage of having a second weapon. On top of that, Soresu's strength is prolonging the fight with stamina-efficient parries, blocks, and counters which will wear their opponent down and cause an opening from exhaustion/ frustration/ carelessness. This isn't feasible with Dual Sabers because the amount of extra energy spent to keep up their defense, on top of the fact that with two weapons your attacks have to be a bit wider, leaving you with more openings.

Simply put, Dual Saber combat is far better tuned towards more aggressive or offensive saber forms like Ataru or Juyo.

Double sabers on the other hand being inherently more defensive (an example being Maul taking on Kenobi and Jin at the same time) than their single or dual counter parts would work very well with Soresu. The added weight and various ways to position your hands on a double-bladed saber would make maintaining a tight, strong defense even easier.
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