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TUXs
10.18.2012 , 02:54 PM | #421
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Tux,
You get a +9000

I am not saying I agree or disagree with what you wrote.
But that post is the best post I have ever seen from you.
It is clear and concise.

Well written.
Thank you!!! Considering how much I post...I think that could either be a compliment, or an insult
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Urael
10.18.2012 , 02:55 PM | #422
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Thank you!!! Considering how much I post...I think that could either be a compliment, or an insult
Until I get my statue it surely must be the latter!

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Spiritinblack
10.18.2012 , 03:02 PM | #423
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Thank you!!! Considering how much I post...I think that could either be a compliment, or an insult
It's a compliment.

It's hard for alot of us on these forums. We try to convey what we want, or how we feel the game should be. And even though we sometimes never get it to come out right, ( even though in our head it makes sense), it just shows how much we really DO care about this game.

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Tim-ONeil
10.18.2012 , 03:11 PM | #424
Additionally TUXs it would foolish of me to lump EVERYONE in this thread into that mold I posted. I understand fully that your intentions are noble, however many of these arguments are not.

Alas I suggest we leave it up to the expects at EA/Bioware and wait and see. If there is anything people give EA credit for it's finding a way to milk subscribers for profit. That's not evil though, that's good business though many people won't agree with that statement.
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Kheld
10.18.2012 , 03:23 PM | #425
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Yes we do, and yes, we are. We want people that come to play this game for free, to stay and PAY for it long term. I think most of us in this entire thread all have that hope because long term, that will only mean great things for SWTOR!

I WISH they'd have limited the story to JUST act 1, allowed unlimited WZ's (with reduced returns), unlimited FP's and Ops (with reduced returns) and kept the story locked for acts 2, 3 and beyond. The stuff they're asking people to pay for, just isn't that good.
QFT. The story is the best bit of the game. Letting f2p players have access to it all is a big mistake.
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Faladis
10.18.2012 , 03:31 PM | #426
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
Alas I suggest we leave it up to the expects at EA/Bioware and wait and see. If there is anything people give EA credit for it's finding a way to milk subscribers for profit. That's not evil though, that's good business though many people won't agree with that statement.
No, that's not a good business model. Milking subscribers is a short-term profit model with no longevity. It will end with a few dedicated subscribers staying, but the majority leaving and taking with them the revenue needed to keep the servers running.

Tim, if you truly haven't ever heard of League of Legends, as has been posted before, you really should look at their F2P model. It works brilliantly and would be more than profitable for Bioware and EA. At the same time, take a look at other F2P models like Spiral Knights, Mabinogi, and Vindictus. You can use the in-games currency to buy additional cosmetic content or purchase it. None of the above listed F2P games limit game mechanics or quality of play, requiring you to purchase them. The closest thing to a limitation is that in Mabinogi you have to buy a mount or pet with NX, which you can't get through the game. Other than that though, the game can be played as normal. These microtransactions are the proper way to implement a F2P model for a game.

Also, please quit saying that all the F2P arguments are just "I want the subs to pay for my game that I get for free!" or that the arguments are illogical. You've beaten that horse dead to the point where it's now a pulpy, rotting mush. We get your point, several posters both agree and disagree with that point, but now you are coming off more like a jerk than a valid debater.

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Tim-ONeil
10.18.2012 , 03:57 PM | #427
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No, that's not a good business model. Milking subscribers is a short-term profit model with no longevity. It will end with a few dedicated subscribers staying, but the majority leaving and taking with them the revenue needed to keep the servers running.

Tim, if you truly haven't ever heard of League of Legends, as has been posted before, you really should look at their F2P model. It works brilliantly and would be more than profitable for Bioware and EA. At the same time, take a look at other F2P models like Spiral Knights, Mabinogi, and Vindictus. You can use the in-games currency to buy additional cosmetic content or purchase it. None of the above listed F2P games limit game mechanics or quality of play, requiring you to purchase them. The closest thing to a limitation is that in Mabinogi you have to buy a mount or pet with NX, which you can't get through the game. Other than that though, the game can be played as normal. These microtransactions are the proper way to implement a F2P model for a game.

Also, please quit saying that all the F2P arguments are just "I want the subs to pay for my game that I get for free!" or that the arguments are illogical. You've beaten that horse dead to the point where it's now a pulpy, rotting mush. We get your point, several posters both agree and disagree with that point, but now you are coming off more like a jerk than a valid debater.
I really haven't heard of it. It's not my style but from what I read today that model hasn't been adopted by any of the free to play MMO's. Subscription (with a F2P portion) is still the revenue generator and it's hard to argue against it. Even at the low end 500k subs is 7.5 Million dollars gross per month and 90 million dollars gross per year. You don't walk away from that model when you direct competition uses it successfully.
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amerciasmexican
10.18.2012 , 03:59 PM | #428
The F2P restrictions are pretty fair in all honesty the one thing i would have to say i don't like is the 3 Warzones and flashpoints per week considering thats all you can really do when you hit 50 and soon to be 60

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ZirusZero
10.18.2012 , 03:59 PM | #429
The only real objection is the 3 WZs per week thing. Otherwise, stop whining and sub.
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XeSora
10.18.2012 , 04:03 PM | #430
I guess it must just be my server or something, because Que times for Wz's and Fp's are like crawling in slow motion. Wz may pop at 50 for in like what? 5-10minutes? I totally forget about it after a while, heck, even when a blue moon decides to show itself and i want to do a FP (who am i kidding i love FP's but the ques are completely insane) Honestly, id like them to just give them a bit more of a limit on Wz's and Fp's just enough to say that the Que times in the servers now raise instead of them being stupid dead as they are now. Just my 2 cents, idc about what they restrict to F2P players, i just want better Que times. Chop off their legs for all i care, but make them drag themselves into those Wz's and FP's enough to where i can get some good fun out of them.
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