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Durasturan
10.18.2012 , 07:33 AM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
Really tired of people getting stuff for free complaining they aren't getting enough free stuff...both in games and in society at large.

If you like game and don't want to worry about the restrictions, then stay subbed. If the game isn't worth $15 a month or unlimited playtime/access, then it's not worth playing for free with restrictions. Either pony up the whopping $0.50 a day, or quit complaining about how you're not getting enough free stuff.
See the problem with your whole point is that without SOME kind of change the game will die. It's on a trajectory straight into the grave, and I personally love this game, enjoy playing it nearly every day, and want to stay subbed and continue playing, but there aren't enough people out there like me to do so.

BW has a choice, they can alter their payment model and lower their profits to entice more people to play and hopefully save the game, or they can let it die and choose to make ZERO money from it and take the loss.

If you put out a game that people don't want to pay for, it's entitlement to assume you have a right to profits and people should just shut up and keep paying.

It's entitlement to assume a company will keep an unprofitable venture alive just to cater to the few remaining people that still want to play it.

It's entitlement to believe that BW has a right to our money without delivering a quality product. It is a fact that the vast majority of people that try this game do NOT believe it is worth the money. Balls in their court, they can take it and go home or play, but either way something has to give, and it's NOT going to be the consumer, not without some kind of incentive.

That's how real markets work. That's how the real world works. This specific market is too competitive and cut throat for them to get all high and mighty and hope to remain unscathed.

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Miukie
10.18.2012 , 07:48 AM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by Maviarab View Post
Want to deride the free to play players (and I will be one), go right ahead...enjoy your next MMO when this ones servers are switched off
I’ll need a bigger ignore list if all the F2P players are like you…..

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tuxiz
10.18.2012 , 07:54 AM | #303
im scared if f2p fails swtor will die i rly hope f2p will be good and alot of new players will join.

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LordArtemis
10.18.2012 , 07:57 AM | #304
I do think locking all but one of the toons for preferred players is not wise...I would set it to three, then offer pay to unlock using cartel coins for others. F2P players should get one.

I would also allow preferred players to use anything they have already unlocked by paying a sub with no restrictions, but push the FP and Warzone restrictions on them, while allowing a universal unlock for these game features at a high cost.

This way after an investment of, say, 150 to 200 dollars in equivalent cartel coin currency a F2P player could experience the game in almost the same state as a sub....call it a lifetime sub threshold. A preferred player would only have to pay about half that on average to reach the same goal.

Of course, I believe, based on market history with F2P titles reported by studios that the vast majority of players will choose to sub instead of paying the max rate to get a matching unlocked game.

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HarleysRule
10.18.2012 , 08:21 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
See the problem with your whole point is that without SOME kind of change the game will die. It's on a trajectory straight into the grave, and I personally love this game, enjoy playing it nearly every day, and want to stay subbed and continue playing, but there aren't enough people out there like me to do so.

BW has a choice, they can alter their payment model and lower their profits to entice more people to play and hopefully save the game, or they can let it die and choose to make ZERO money from it and take the loss.

If you put out a game that people don't want to pay for, it's entitlement to assume you have a right to profits and people should just shut up and keep paying.

It's entitlement to assume a company will keep an unprofitable venture alive just to cater to the few remaining people that still want to play it.

It's entitlement to believe that BW has a right to our money without delivering a quality product. It is a fact that the vast majority of people that try this game do NOT believe it is worth the money. Balls in their court, they can take it and go home or play, but either way something has to give, and it's NOT going to be the consumer, not without some kind of incentive.

That's how real markets work. That's how the real world works. This specific market is too competitive and cut throat for them to get all high and mighty and hope to remain unscathed.
I'm not saying EA/BW doesn't need to do something to get more people playing the game and giving EA/BW money...I'm just sick of people getting something for free, and then complaining it's not enough. Those are two totally different arguments, and no, entitlement by definition is thinking you deserve something just because. They're going to be giving away most of the game, and people say it's not enough. Where the heck do I suggest BW is entitled to anyone's money?

Changing the payment model doesn't make the game better or more worth paying for. Problem is, they're giving away the best part of the game (1-50 story/leveling experience), and then trying to charge for the part most that left consider lacking (endgame). They'd be better off IMO using something more like the LotRO model and charging to unlock planets past the capitol worlds, and making he rest of the game free.

Who is going pay to just to unlock 4 PvP zones, space combat (LOL), or FPs/Ops? Another fatal flaw (IMO, if true) is one character slot. Even cheap *** fail MMOs like AoC give you 2, and STO gave 3. AFAIK a lot of the money they hope to make will be one time per character purchases like cosmetic gear and temp items like XP boosts and leveling gear, and only one character = less items being sold. I'm sure legacy unlocks will be available in the cash shop, and few F2P players are going to buy legacy unlocks, since they only get one character and they'll be close to 2/3 of the way through the game when they even get their legacy.

I don't really see their version of F2P being much of a savior.

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LordArtemis
10.18.2012 , 08:28 AM | #306
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I even share in your opinion in that I think it would have been best to allow players to unlock certain planets (say after level 30 or so) by paying for them but have less regular game restrictions along the way, like death and fleet pass.

I do not, however, feel most people that complain about the game or the current planned F2P setup are in any way demonstrating an "entitlement mentality"... I think instead they are simply indicating what will gain their patronage.

Like it or not no game, no product, NOTHING in a capital market deserves patronage. It has to be earned. If the game possessed enough to hold it's prior subs and that was the sub target this would be moot, but the game did not retain it's subs. Something is amiss.

They need to hear what will keep current players if they choose to go F2P. They have already paid, in large or small measure, money toward the game. That means they have an idea of what that patronage is worth and are giving the devs a chance to earn it.

My guess would be they do not feel they have, and I would say this is not an unfair sentiment.

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Urael
10.18.2012 , 08:33 AM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
If posting here is really important to you your $15 per month is important to Bioware. Even if you never play the game I'm sure you can find $15 worth of entertainment here. The game is practically free then. I paid $15 dollars per month for this forum and I even got a AAA MMO included. That's a heck of a deal.
Indeed. I have been saying this all along.

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TUXs
10.18.2012 , 08:35 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Maviarab View Post
So many of you missing the point completely. Especially the op's point. All qq and whine and moan and 'sub or sod off' elitists attitude.

All you subbers (I am currently one, just subbed before F2P hits)....you NEED the F2P players or your game will DIE. Are you so far up your own righteousness you cannot see this?

The game has NO real content past the story line. Why do you think the game has lost 3/4 of it's paying players? With the very harsh (and sorry, they are compared to many other successful MMO's) restrictions, really, what incentives are there for a F2P player to subscribe?

As has been mentioned. Let's take Lotro (I've played since release). You can play the ENTIRE game for FREE. Is it hard work? Yes. Is it damn time consuming? Hell yes. Is it 'doable'....for sure. Is it easier to sub? Hell yes again. Can I pay for all the unlocks earning in-game tokens? Yes. Is that also a royal pain in the rear? Yes.

A month sub alone...unlocks so many game features. and they are ACCOUNT wide.

Sunscribing should just be a time saver, making the game easier, save grinding countless hours for in game unlocks when you get them all for subbing. it should not be so limiting that you have to sub in order to really play the game. And in this games case, it is not worth the sub cost. The very fact the dev's have stated that cartel coins will not be earnable in game, is already enough to sign this games death warrant.

Can any of that be applied here? So far from the information, that is a fat no. Again, let me remind you, you need the free to play players in this game, or it will sink as the biggest waste of time of an MMO ever. The main and only reason I got this, was because it was ToR and I got it dirt cheap new and for the class story. Also, to get a few coins before it went F2P. This game sure as hell has no content to interest me in paying for a sub past the class story line. (re what I said before about content).

Will I sub after it goes F2P? No I won't. Simple as that. Will I keep playing depending on the restrictions? We shall have to wait and see. Currently, it's unlikely.

Proof right there, the F2P model that EAWare seems to be wanting to roll out is NOT going to keep people playing this game. Even the OP, who 'is' a subber, can see this. Hence, you will have no game to play, because your subs alone are not enough to keep this game in business. So, you will still be sat on the fleet twiddling your thumbs waiting for something to do.

Want to deride the free to play players (and I will be one), go right ahead...enjoy your next MMO when this ones servers are switched off
Great post!!! So much truth to it and well written.

All of these people calling others names obviously haven't got a clue what the reality of this game is. It's not 3/4 of the players, it's worse, it's 4/5ths that have quit minimum. 4 of every 5 people who BOUGHT this game, don't want to pay the $15 sub fee...and NOTHING about F2P is going to change that.
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Urael
10.18.2012 , 08:35 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
I think the way they are going to set it up with no forum access works even better. If you want to post here you can, buy a subscription. It's an incentive.
Indeed. $15 a month is a pittance.

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Tekell
10.18.2012 , 08:37 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by MoltenRog View Post
Sprint at level 1 disabled?
I don't think that you have been a subscriber for that long. Sprint used to be unlokced at level 15 and you had to pay for it so people delt with it and new players can too. If they give everything for free then there is no point in subscribing and the game gets shut down. If everyone then becomes F2P then you have LOTRO and that is a sorry excuse for a game.
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