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kirorx
10.17.2012 , 12:31 PM | #191
HERE IS MY PROBLEM THE WAY F2P HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED

John Riccitiello (EA's CEO) had been pretty clear several months ago that he believed that the paid models would not work in the future and that F2P would be way to find success in MMOs. Yet even after F2P was announced, we are still in all reality a P2P game.

Rather than adopting an actual F2P model for ALL of us, in which the company makes money off micro transactions. They have actually taken away so much content that F2P is not viable and despite EA's CEO claiming that subscription games are going to the wayside in a world of F2P games, they have come up with a way to force SWTOR to continue as a P2P game but with micro transactions that will, and you can quote me later, be a huge part of this games future.

Here is some stuff from EA's CEO
http://www.rantgaming.com/2012/07/23...usiness-model/

This guy loves money and getting you to part with it, is what the future holds.

If you think your going to stay P2P and only pay 15 dollars a month, think again. You will pay for the content you have been paying for since January and you will also be nickle and dimed to no end.

DO NOT FORGET THIS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE

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Coldin
10.17.2012 , 12:34 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
I really wish they took a closer look at DDO and LOTRO and followed their approaches...
Indeed. But it looks like they looked towards EQ2 instead. And I really haven't heard any positive things about EQ2's F2P.

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Urael
10.17.2012 , 12:37 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by kirorx View Post
HERE IS MY PROBLEM THE WAY F2P HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED

John Riccitiello (EA's CEO) had been pretty clear several months ago that he believed that the paid models would not work in the future and that F2P would be way to find success in MMOs. Yet even after F2P was announced, we are still in all reality a P2P game.

Rather than adopting an actual F2P model for ALL of us, in which the company makes money off micro transactions. They have actually taken away so much content that F2P is not viable and despite EA's CEO claiming that subscription games are going to the wayside in a world of F2P games, they have come up with a way to force SWTOR to continue as a P2P game but with micro transactions that will, and you can quote me later, be a huge part of this games future.

Here is some stuff from EA's CEO
http://www.rantgaming.com/2012/07/23...usiness-model/

This guy loves money and getting you to part with it, is what the future holds.

If you think your going to stay P2P and only pay 15 dollars a month, think again. You will pay for the content you have been paying for since January and you will also be nickle and dimed to no end.

DO NOT FORGET THIS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE
Another way of looking at how EAware is "implementing Freemium" is to look at it like this:

The Stand alone RPG is "Free up to 50" (face it you don't NEED to group to level to 50 just like in an RPG). The MMORPG feature is for a subscription -OR- on a fee per service schedule to only select those portions of the MMORPG feature that you want to play. It is another implementation of Freemium. Besides do you "really" think that EAware listens to ANYTHING we have to say about HOW THEY RUN THIER BUISNESS in threads on their forums? As you pointed out it's all about the benjimins. $$

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SeneaViola
10.17.2012 , 12:38 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
I've had positive experiences with both DDO and LOTRO and if SWTOR was using their models I would be more than optimistic about their chances at success. But it's almost like they took a look at most models and said "NAH, let's take this to the extreme of nickle and diming the customer."

Paying for content is good.
Paying for systems is bad, because without those systems the game becomes boring, frustrating, and slow. People get angry and quit.

I really wish they took a closer look at DDO and LOTRO and followed their approaches...
I came from lotro, to this game i prefer the setup for this one, when you have to pay for each area when f2p, and even though i sub for that game i still have to pay for new content like rohan. plus sub for this game is way cheaper the lotro, and more entertaining, not a bunch of reading text either.
Misguided, Misdirected, Misunderstood, and Misinformed. You have refused to see the point I’m telling you, and therefore missed to see me. Now your chance has gone unnoticed, and missing an opportunity. I have guided and directed you through things, so now it’s understood that you have been informed.

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Durasturan
10.17.2012 , 12:39 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by kirorx View Post
HERE IS MY PROBLEM THE WAY F2P HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED

John Riccitiello (EA's CEO) had been pretty clear several months ago that he believed that the paid models would not work in the future and that F2P would be way to find success in MMOs. Yet even after F2P was announced, we are still in all reality a P2P game.

Rather than adopting an actual F2P model for ALL of us, in which the company makes money off micro transactions. They have actually taken away so much content that F2P is not viable and despite EA's CEO claiming that subscription games are going to the wayside in a world of F2P games, they have come up with a way to force SWTOR to continue as a P2P game but with micro transactions that will, and you can quote me later, be a huge part of this games future.

Here is some stuff from EA's CEO
http://www.rantgaming.com/2012/07/23...usiness-model/

This guy loves money and getting you to part with it, is what the future holds.

If you think your going to stay P2P and only pay 15 dollars a month, think again. You will pay for the content you have been paying for since January and you will also be nickle and dimed to no end.

DO NOT FORGET THIS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE
This this this this this this this!

Those three or four dozen orange sets that were in the game at beta and then taken out... those get to go in boxes that SUBBED players have to BET real money to get. New speeder models, companion skins, you name it. Subs are gonna be pissed when they see just how many items are going up on the Cartel Shop as opposed to being stuck in game.

They figured out a way to make their subs pay MORE money on top of the sub for items they otherwise would have gotten while at the same time nickle and diming F2Pers for everything from dying to changing their pants. It's the most insidious and absurd model ever and I don't see how they can believe it will work in the long run.

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Durasturan
10.17.2012 , 12:41 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by SeneaViola View Post
I came from lotro, to this game i prefer the setup for this one, when you have to pay for each area when f2p, and even though i sub for that game i still have to pay for new content like rohan. plus sub for this game is way cheaper the lotro, and more entertaining, not a bunch of reading text either.
What you mean to say is you like how it is NOW. The new free to model they are implementing looks like it's going to take all the worst aspects of LOTRO and multiply them by adding them ON TOP of a standard $15 sub.

This game will not be truly a la carte because you will NEED at least three or four things on top of what you WANT just to make the things you want actually work.

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errant_knight
10.17.2012 , 12:47 PM | #197
Free to play is an addition to the subscription model, not a replacement. Subscribers can't be made to feel that there's no point in subscribing, and many subscribers won't want a f2p model imposed on them. I, for one, avoid f2p like the plague. I'm baffled as to why some people prefer it. You're still paying, it's a business not a charity. You have a choice. F2p where you have restrictions, but can conceivably play free if you accept restrictions, or subscription, where you get everything, unlimited, for a very reasonable cost for the available gameplay. Flailing because you don't get the whole game for free is kind of missing the point.

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Jacen_Starsolo
10.17.2012 , 12:50 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
It MAY turn away SOME players who are looking to play a totally FREE MMORPG. It most definately will attract the players that liked KoTOR and "introduce" them to what an MMORPG is all about.

Basically, you are getting the "stand alone RPG" for free but to fully experience the "MMORPG" part of SWTOR you have to sub. AS. IT. SHOULD. BE!
If there is any KoToR people out there that haven't looked at this game already, they probably won't either. The game is already been free to 15 for months now. They already looked and moved on.

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Durasturan
10.17.2012 , 12:58 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
There are no "free games" one pays is some form or another. What form of payment that one can stomach is about the MARGINAL UTILITY that the product and form of payment yeilds. This can be subjective. What is good for you may not be so for another and vice versa. If this model doesn't work. They will change it or shut down the game. At this point I don't care what they do. I will pay a sub until it shuts down because that is "less painful" to me ( and I suspect others ) than to have to pay piecemeal.

If it fails then the market has spoken. EAware will be forced to adabt or shutdown SWTOR. Again I don't care which happens any more concerning the success or failure of SWTOR. SWTOR with patch 1.4 stopped being my "primary slot" MMORPG and is now my back up.
No free games? lol ok. I have at least 3 right now that I have not paid a penny for and likely never will. They make their money through advertising and charging for cosmetics etc that people that are crazy about the game will.

Considering your change in tune I can only conclude you're either trying to backpedal, didn't understand what you were actually saying, or a ridiculous and pointless troll. In any event I'm done having this absurd conversation, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are just talking to see your name in print.

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AceMcVeer
10.17.2012 , 01:00 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Coldin View Post
If the smart gamer subs, then why are they even bothering to add a F2P model? Just add the cartel shop, and stop trying to sell players on a bad deal. Because currently, that's what this F2P model is. A very bad deal.
Something you get completely for free is a bad deal? That makes absolutely no sense. The amount of game that you get completely for free is in fact a pretty good deal. Find me a PS3 or XBOX game where you can get a game with this much stuff for free.

The change was designed to bring more players in as well as increase revenue. Giving everyone everything for free and then hoping they spend at least $15 a month with microtransactions buying pets or funny looking hats would be a pretty poor business decision and lead into less development and expansion of the game and THAT would be a bad deal for us all.
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