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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Raansu
03.29.2014 , 11:26 AM | #6991
Quote: Originally Posted by Exly View Post
In case you haven't heard, even solo q'ers play with 15 other people in a regular 8v8 warzone. You can't do that in a single player game.

The problem with premades sharing a q with solo players is that it leads to pugstomping and drives people away from PvP. This needs to be addressed if we ever want to get our PvP populations up so that we can get more support from the devs.
People get pugstomped because they are bad. I solo queue all the time and beat "premades" all the time. Hate to break it to you but a 4 man group really isn't a premade when the team is 8 people.

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ZooMzy
03.29.2014 , 11:28 AM | #6992
The problem is misconstrued as "premades are OP" when in reality, the problem is "certain groups can dominate the WZs and pugs can't beat them"

Which, of course, people immediately believe the solution is to remove the groups and everything will be dandy. Kind of like how people turn to "guns" as the problem before "mental health" in regards to shootings.

The standard of player is the problem, as on my server, premades are an indication of where someone should queue (Imps have a premade, time to play Imp alts). On top of that issue, it doesn't even take a group of players to play god in the reg queue; solo players with skill and talent can take out multiple enemy players at once.

Premades are not a problem, not even the ones that are formed for the intent to dominate a queue. It's the pathetic standard of player that this game has that allows groups of people to play god in WZs.

In short, step your game up and complain at others to do the same. Welcome to competition, where you're not going to have the advantage everytime you get into a match.

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MrJurgens-ll
03.29.2014 , 11:29 AM | #6993
Quote: Originally Posted by Exly View Post
In case you haven't heard, even solo q'ers play with 15 other people in a regular 8v8 warzone. You can't do that in a single player game.

The problem with premades sharing a q with solo players is that it leads to pugstomping and drives people away from PvP. This needs to be addressed if we ever want to get our PvP populations up so that we can get more support from the devs.
This is not the reason why Pvp populations are low as they are and dying, the reason is is due to the ignorance of the dev team. The petition I drafted with EBM listed a multitude of fixes and patching to fix the dying PvP playerbase, but they decided to ignore it and then in the end delete it altogether.

Ranked 8s are gone. Vanilla Ilum is gone. Almost any and all point to WPvP is gone. Warzones coming out more than a year later. Class balance being more centered toward 4s extremely bad idea to make ranked centered around 4s meta. Focus on Bolster to cater to the more casual and less skilled players. HUGE lack of rewards for PvP, it giving out the most less experience and credits than any other playstyle in this game. NO choice for PvPers (e.g. what WZ to Q for). There's now really no point in a Pvp guild due to all these reasons listed.

What I listed above is basically why Pvp is dying. It is NOT because of "premades farming PUGs".

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MotorCityMan
03.29.2014 , 11:51 AM | #6994
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
Oh please. I do two man groups all the time simply because I enjoy pvp with friends and BSing in mumble. Just because you're anti-social doesn't mean everyone else should have to cater to you. At the end of the day its still an MMO. Grouping up is part of that experience. Don't like it? Go play a single player game.
Ya and because you want to do 2 man groups with friends that doesn't mean that everyone else should cater to you and have a lack of match making so that premades vs pugs. At the end of the day, it's a game and equal rule sets allow for fair play. Don't like it? Go play a single player game.

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Raansu
03.29.2014 , 11:58 AM | #6995
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Ya and because you want to do 2 man groups with friends that doesn't mean that everyone else should cater to you and have a lack of match making so that premades vs pugs. At the end of the day, it's a game and equal rule sets allow for fair play. Don't like it? Go play a single player game.
Ya sorry that argument doesnt work for groups considering they are doing what mmos are designed to do....ya know, playing in a group with friends.

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MotorCityMan
03.29.2014 , 11:58 AM | #6996
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
People get pugstomped because they are bad.
Right, it's ok to take advantage of other players because they are not really people with the same right to fun as you, they are less than you, they are bads, they deserve to be stomped and taken advantage of.

Dehumanizing others is a common tactic sociopaths employ.

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MotorCityMan
03.29.2014 , 12:01 PM | #6997
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I solo queue all the time and beat "premades" all the time.
Sure ya do. Well I would type more but I have to cut it short and get on my private jet and pick up my girlfriend Kelly Cusco and take her out for dinner in Paris.

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Seireeni
03.29.2014 , 12:03 PM | #6998
Not this again...

Problem: premades of several skilled people are facerolling medicore and bad players.
Solution: force premades to a different queue, so skilled premades will only be a problem of medicore premades and bad premades.
And then proceed to complain how you're still getting stomped everytime the lack of matchmaking happens to put several skilled soloplayers against bads and medicores.

Why are you people asking to separate the soloplayers and premades? Why not ask for a solo-only queue and keep the mixed queue as it is? Wouldn't be because then it would be your queue time that gets longer?
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03.29.2014 , 12:03 PM | #6999
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MotorCityMan
03.29.2014 , 12:07 PM | #7000
Quote: Originally Posted by Sangrar View Post
this. not everyone groups for some tactical advantage in some kind of evil plot against pugs,
Right, and asking for a match making system doesn't make someone a "bad" or a "carebear". And because they want a solo only queue doesn't mean they are trying to eliminate group vs group play and victimize you and not let you play with your "friends".

And not everyone that scoffs at others on the forums is a "tough" guy or "hardcore pvper".