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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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WarriorOfVirtue
09.17.2013 , 02:01 PM | #5791
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Thought you quit. You should. One less bad player complaining on the forums.
If everyone who saw a problem in the WZs or the game in general did what you "want them" to do then you can be sure that the few of you that remain will not be able to keep SWTOR up an running and it would have to close within 3 months due to not enough funds...

But hey, there is always the person, or people, who think only their opinions matter and only they should be listened to huh?...

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cycao
09.17.2013 , 02:14 PM | #5792
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
If everyone who saw a problem in the WZs or the game in general did what you "want them" to do then you can be sure that the few of you that remain will not be able to keep SWTOR up an running and it would have to close within 3 months due to not enough funds...

But hey, there is always the person, or people, who think only their opinions matter and only they should be listened to huh?...
Someone who singles out people grouping with guildies or friends who..

thinks they're all bad
only want to stomp pugs thinks they gain the uber leet gear through stomping pugs
are afraid to face other premades
are terrible people for wanting to group
cant hack it in a solo environment
suck without having 2-3 healers in their group
play FoTM classes


Now, instead of looking at the bigger picture all this guy is blame the other person. Players who take 0 accountability for themselves, are, imo a stain on this game and a bigger problem than premades.

All of those things listed are things that people 100% against groups in the same queue with solo players. Now some players do in fact like 'easy' competition and generally group and never play ranked (same guys who play on easy or novice in single player games). Are the majority of players like this? No but some exist.

Completely negate the fact that they are adding a solo only option for arenas, Bioware has never, ever acknowledged that premades are an issue which leads me to believe that all of this is working as intended.

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WarriorOfVirtue
09.17.2013 , 02:42 PM | #5793
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Someone who singles out people grouping with guildies or friends who..

thinks they're all bad
only want to stomp pugs thinks they gain the uber leet gear through stomping pugs
are afraid to face other premades
are terrible people for wanting to group
cant hack it in a solo environment
suck without having 2-3 healers in their group
play FoTM classes


Now, instead of looking at the bigger picture all this guy is blame the other person. Players who take 0 accountability for themselves, are, imo a stain on this game and a bigger problem than premades.
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Completely negate the fact that they are adding a solo only option for arenas, Bioware has never, ever acknowledged that premades are an issue which leads me to believe that all of this is working as intended.
First of all, I wasn't the one to use insults at anyone, never did I call "a fool" or "an idiot" or any of the numerous insults in this thread made by players like you...

Second of all, in a pug one single person isn't responsible for the whole group, and one lonely player is not going to win against 8 in the opposing team, so "personal accountability" has NOTHING to do with WZs since we don't have any say on who do we play with plain and simple.

Third of all, just because Bioware doesn't say they see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. That's why players give their opinions and what we think we see as problems.

If you don't like players giving their opinions then probably you shouldn't be reading the forums and shouldn't post at all. So just play all you want and don't respond at all... Since you seem to think that players who according to you " only complain" and you think those players don't belong in the game, then you don't belong in the forums. How do you like them apples?

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cashogy_reborn
09.17.2013 , 03:03 PM | #5794
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
If everyone who saw a problem in the WZs or the game in general did what you "want them" to do then you can be sure that the few of you that remain will not be able to keep SWTOR up an running and it would have to close within 3 months due to not enough funds...

But hey, there is always the person, or people, who think only their opinions matter and only they should be listened to huh?...
Pot meet kettle
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WarriorOfVirtue
09.17.2013 , 03:11 PM | #5795
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
Pot meet kettle
Really?... I stated clearly that everyone's opinion matter and the problem is probably in a combination of what people have been saying here.... I wasn't insulting players for giving opinions, and in case you are wondering insulting players is not an opinion, it is in the realm of jerkdom and trolling.

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Raazmir
09.17.2013 , 03:31 PM | #5796
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
Really?... I stated clearly that everyone's opinion matter and the problem is probably in a combination of what people have been saying here.... I wasn't insulting players for giving opinions, and in case you are wondering insulting players is not an opinion, it is in the realm of jerkdom and trolling.

Opinions based on knee jerk reaction and assuming the numbers and motivations of others fit your own actually shouldn't matter.

That's my beef, premades existed since the beginning, yknow what ruined non-ranked warzones for a bunch of people? Server transfers. On BC a massive chunk of the pvp population that knew what they were about transferred to bastion or pot5. My assumption is that a similar thing happened on other servers. If the end result is anything like bc, even solo que vs solo que can be like ripping out teeth without a decent premade to go on. I've had matches as a sniper where i was held to under 500k damage, and still managed to outdamage the entire rest of my team. Edit: And I don't mean top damage, I mean I did more damage than the entire rest of the team combined, add all their damage up...1 player did more yet was under 500k

The other thing that ruined it? The 2.4 announcement. A lot of the people who were still around because they enjoyed the objective based pvp content and were looking forward to maybe a few new maps and arenas to break up the monotony got blindsided with the knowledge that 8v8 ranked was going away. It double stung because many of these players and guilds transferred and convinced friends to transfer so that they could have an 8v8 team in a more competitive environment. So when one of those people who has no interest in deathmatch arenas decides to spend time elsewhere, like League of Legends, or Diablo 3, or FF14, it's a lot easier to get former guildies who enjoyed playing with you to leave to those games too. Especially with the method the company has been using to address class balance issues, which become even more important to address with the arena format on the horizon.
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cashogy_reborn
09.17.2013 , 04:03 PM | #5797
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
Really?... I stated clearly that everyone's opinion matter and the problem is probably in a combination of what people have been saying here.... I wasn't insulting players for giving opinions, and in case you are wondering insulting players is not an opinion, it is in the realm of jerkdom and trolling.
Im not sure what you think my post meant, but the part I bolded was exceptionally hypocritical.
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General_Aldo
09.17.2013 , 04:05 PM | #5798
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
Really?... I stated clearly that everyone's opinion matter and the problem is probably in a combination of what people have been saying here.... I wasn't insulting players for giving opinions, and in case you are wondering insulting players is not an opinion, it is in the realm of jerkdom and trolling.
If people don't understand the basics of the game. Then their opinion is worthless
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General_Aldo
09.17.2013 , 04:07 PM | #5799
Why can't people just admit they aren't as good as they think? Instead of giving every excuse for why they lose?

Regular warzones are based a majority on personal skill.
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cycao
09.17.2013 , 04:13 PM | #5800
Quote: Originally Posted by WarriorOfVirtue View Post
First of all, I wasn't the one to use insults at anyone, never did I call "a fool" or "an idiot" or any of the numerous insults in this thread made by players like you...
Very correct.
Second of all, in a pug one single person isn't responsible for the whole group, and one lonely player is not going to win against 8 in the opposing team, so "personal accountability" has NOTHING to do with WZs since we don't have any say on who do we play with plain and simple.
Player accountability has a lot to do with a lot of things. Instead of blaming the other team for a loss (which a lot of pugs due) because they faced a premade, they never look past what could have been done better. If every single pug looked past the fact that it wasn't just a premade but a better skilled team that handed them a loss and actually strives to learn what they themselves could have done better to help their team win a large chunk of these threads could not exist.

True that one player isn't responsible for the whole group but all it takes is someone to step up the plate and help quarterback the team by calling out incomings and targets instead of giving up or trying to be a regstar or simply not being a team player would go a long way

Third of all, just because Bioware doesn't say they see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. That's why players give their opinions and what we think we see as problems.
If the problem was as severe as those who suggest it than they would have stepped in and say so. They have not done this. Instead they have stated months ago that they are working on a matchmaking system which will be in place for solo and grouped ranked arenas.
If you don't like players giving their opinions then probably you shouldn't be reading the forums and shouldn't post at all. So just play all you want and don't respond at all... Since you seem to think that players who according to you " only complain" and you think those players don't belong in the game, then you don't belong in the forums. How do you like them apples?
And for your final piece of wisdom.

I have no issue with players giving their opinions, this is an opinionated forum on the internet after all. What I have an issue with is players with an opinion which is so stubbornly one sided they refuse to give any though to rebuttal arguments or any logic. Post away here, I am entertained non the less but if you have an opinion and someone posts more than valid counter arguments then you should be prepared to open up there minds instead of blindly repeating their opinions without any giving any leeway to their arguments and defending them blindly.