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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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NoTomorrow
11.07.2012 , 06:39 AM | #451
Stop puting the Bioware's fail on the players. Bioware already tried to use excuses instead of implementing systems, and look where it got them. No group finder until it was late. Community will be ruined bla bla bla. Same goes for PvP.
It was their damn responsiblity to make a ranked ladder system, where teams of equal skill and gear would fight on average teams of similar skill and gear. It was their damn reponsbility to add tools that would minimize the advantage of premades like IN-CLIENT VOICE COMMUNICATION.

We are all on the same sinking TORTANIC. The difference is that the pre-made guys, defending the current system, are just a few cabin floors higher than the rest of normal people, so they will drown a little later.
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Scatter Bombs are meant to be a fun bit of extra damage that occurs when you roll into or away from the action. That said, we’re okay with you trapping an unsuspecting enemy for a “wall bang” every now and then.

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Zhaker
11.07.2012 , 06:48 AM | #452
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
Wait?

There isnt a single good EXCUSE (assuming thats what you were trying to spell, least im hoping so)
or
There is a viable one

You know the two statements are in polar contrast of each other so you cant say one and then the next line say there is.

Yes folks, its Brilliant thinkers (and spellers ... seriously XCUSE???? Come on already) like quoted above that are in favor of ganking and greifing the solo queue players by any means they can.

Really kinda says it all, doesnt it.
Yes yes, I know your cyber tough and going to call me names now and tell me to L2P and make friends and *yawns* sorry dozed off there predicting your types standard responses.
So your brilliant suggestion of dealing with the premades is to ban them? Or put them in a longer queue? Or punish them for grouping up?

Whats next punish people for being a FOTM class as well?

Like I said the real suggestion was a Republic Harbinger player that suggested hidden non rated ratings for a WZ to find the common ground of players for matchmaking.

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NoTomorrow
11.07.2012 , 06:51 AM | #453
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaker View Post
So your brilliant suggestion of dealing with the premades is to ban them? Or put them in a longer queue? Or punish them for grouping up?

Whats next punish people for being a FOTM class as well?

Like I said the real suggestion was a Republic Harbinger player that suggested hidden non rated ratings for a WZ to find the common ground of players for matchmaking.
this is called RANKED LADDERS, and it should be for everyone that queues, pre-made or not. There should've never existed a non-ranked matchmaking. All games should be ranked and allow for queueing invididually and pre-mades. Idiots should pe playing idiots, good players should be playing good players. A team with 2 healers should be fighting a team with 2 healers, but no idiotic 3 healer + tanks + dps against a no healer team.
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Scatter Bombs are meant to be a fun bit of extra damage that occurs when you roll into or away from the action. That said, we’re okay with you trapping an unsuspecting enemy for a “wall bang” every now and then.

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foxmob
11.07.2012 , 06:55 AM | #454
Quote: Originally Posted by filipesantana View Post
exactly my point i dont....as a normal human being making friends is just natural to mee irl or online, so its a matter of time untill i gather a couple to go premade mode...i dont (and refuse) to solo queue...not being payed to carry...
sound friendly indeed
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Atramar
11.07.2012 , 07:14 AM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
this is called RANKED LADDERS, and it should be for everyone that queues, pre-made or not. There should've never existed a non-ranked matchmaking. All games should be ranked and allow for queueing invididually and pre-mades. Idiots should pe playing idiots, good players should be playing good players. A team with 2 healers should be fighting a team with 2 healers, but no idiotic 3 healer + tanks + dps against a no healer team.
so 1 healer group should be matched with 1 healer group? 6 healer group vs 6 healer group? oh the horrors. how you define that one person is a healer? or a tank? you can't .
only viable matching is valor, but this can be abused too (and if it can, it will be, peroid).
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Muramxx
11.07.2012 , 07:33 AM | #456
It really has nothing to do with Premades being on a teir so much higher then everyone else or all the finger pointing that's going on. The issue is that it's a "SOLO" que that is "RANDOM" having premades when you enter this takes away from both of those aspects very much. I have been on the recieving end where my PUG completely dominated a pre-made group. I have also been on the other side (most of the time) that gets completely dominated by a preemade group. What I see as being the biggest issuse is the fact the "you have been paired up with Random people" goes out the window I'd say a good 75% of the time the premade group goes in and suprise they have a tank and a good dps and a healer or 2 and then bam they pick up another healer and when the game starts, guess what? No healer on the other side. I play as an imperial and it's real fun to jump into a random game where half my team is 20> and and filled up with Mercs (we all know they are the sh***ist class to have on pvp and suprise the premade group that was supose to be just as random has 3 healers. I think 2 reasons the domination tends to come in with premades 1) they more or less stack the deck with the right players vs the computers version of "well there are 9 people in the que well here is the first 8 sorry the 9th person was a healer and now you have nothing to fight with" and 2) Yes skill plays a huge part in PVP and with F2P what do you get? a bunch of people that have never played before that have no friends on the game yet as THEY JUST STARTED PLAYING and are getting out done (which they should be) by the group of guys that have been playng together and on there 8th char.

So for the premade guys to litterally sit there and tell a guy that has been playing a game for 2 weeks "make a group of friends and do premade's" Your the one's that have no social skill as I have yet to meet anyone that jumped onto an mmo and within a week or 2 knew everything about the game and was playing like a rockstar and had groups of people asking them to join them on groups/guilds. That's just laughable. So you Elitiest that keep on expecting the F2P guys to be be happy getting dominated left and right and expect them to dive in and be just like you as soon as they play, don't be complaing in 2 months when the que is 2 hours long cause the F2P guys left or stopped doing WZ's.

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Karkais
11.07.2012 , 07:40 AM | #457
Quote: Originally Posted by filipesantana View Post
there isnt a single good xcuse to WANT to solo queue..NONE!
How about: Not interested in waiting for others to show up. Solo queue is available right here and now.
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Muramxx
11.07.2012 , 07:42 AM | #458
Quote: Originally Posted by Karkais View Post
How about: Not interested in waiting for others to show up. Solo queue is available right here and now.
Giving that a +1

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TridusSWTOR
11.07.2012 , 07:55 AM | #459
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
@Samuel.

Why is it so hard to find 3 players?
Why is it so hard to get a ranked pvp match? Oh wait because ranked teams only take people with certain gear/class make up. That totally encourages more competitive play. and shorter queue's

Do you get a percent every time your friend sells one of his books? Because you plug that in every one of your post.

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TridusSWTOR
11.07.2012 , 08:05 AM | #460
Quote: Originally Posted by Karkais View Post
So complaining about teams is stupid, soloqueueing is not. Gotcha.
He has trouble with reading, I learned from the past. Since there is a solo queue button right on the PVP menu but oh well, you can only help these people so much.