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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Rafael_Peres
11.03.2012 , 08:09 AM | #311
Join a guild. Make friends.
Premades are done by people farming commendations to gear up, just like you.

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UncelSam
11.03.2012 , 08:10 AM | #312
To FourTwent:
lil mommy boy is back , nice to see you agian.

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Centures
11.03.2012 , 10:51 AM | #313
My Server the Bastion a PVP server the IMPS constantly run Premades into pugs

YES it sucks

But , I feel it the classes are un-balanced . IMP classes are way OP for PVP
Thier abilities seem to be steered toward it.


Sorcerers , OPS, Assassins.

I mean how many time you see 6 sorcerers on a team , You ever see 6 sages?

When the classes get balanced out the populations will even up faction wise and the game more enjoyable

RT now on the The BAstion IMP populations are almost 2/1 over the republic

This quote from Hall Hood "there are many more Imperial players than Republic, and this has greatly unbalanced the PvP situation."

How many servers we got now? and Populations are shrinking!!!

As an WH Operartive we used to assemble pre-mades into pugs to farm gear knowlingly

I felt sorry for the Republic side and Quit my Operative .


Its a good game QUit putting you heads in the ground!!

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foxmob
11.03.2012 , 11:09 AM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafael_Peres View Post
Join a guild. Make friends.
Premades are done by people farming commendations to gear up, just like you.
it's a little disingenuous to suggest that those premades are ppl just trying to gear up, "same as you." my guild stopped doing ranked. we lost some players. the remaining pvpers have no desire to get rolled by the one leet grp that Qs. thus, we reg Q. trust me, sinnerr, banksy, inmortal, blissreiter....they don't need gear and will steamroll a pug. we're caught in a no-man's land of pvp atm.

anyway, my only point was that reg pvp is the only realistic option even for optimized players, which is why all the big names show up there, and it's unusual not to be in a partial premade when other guildies are pvping, isn't it?
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TL;DR Bolster is meant to help entry level players, ranked PvP is not entry level PvP.

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Doomsdaycomes
11.03.2012 , 02:25 PM | #315
Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
Both require team work and coordination which means making a lot of friends. If someone isn't onlie for your raid you need replacements.
<.< what does this have to do with anything? PvE and PvP come in different formats. One has week long lock outs, gearing up rates, different times per activity.

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I have no problem with having a casual PvP bracket with no rewards greater than BM (as long better geared people aren't allowed to queue). It seems you have a problem with not having easy cannon fodder to kill when you get carried by your friends to grind out WH on your alts. Why is your amount of friends just right and enough work put in? Who decided that your 4-man team is just right?
<.< so complaints about taking the team out of team play = I want easy kills. No... what I really want is the solo pvp-heroes to rise to the challenge. As for 4 man teams? I think BW made that decision they made maximum queue 4 people normal, 8 ranked.

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Judging from your recent post history you've only tried RWZ once and that was when you set up a trading farm because you otherwise couldn't get enough willing friends to queue with you. So much for competition and better yourseld facing tough opponents.
In this modern age of facebook and twitter, it may surprise you that people don't publish their life's story in a debate. I gave you the most relevant experience... that ranked WZ's aren't reliable at popping, either from server population, population incompetence, or system failure.

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I've had either personal chat with CS for more details or a message acknowledging my issue that said it's been forwarded to a dev for all my bug reports. Sounds like you are lying or that your server has bad CS.
See my above answer. It has been ticketed, same lame *** message about it being passed on that everyone else gets (It's probably a canned, copy and paste answer). If it was an abnormal glitch, won't hear more. If it isn't (like the commando level 5 story being bugged) then we'll all get a response when the patch notes say "Ranked Warzone's not popping properly has been fixed."

Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
When I want competitive warzones I queue for ranked. When I queue for solo queue I do so because I'm time constrained and no friends online because this is a game after all and not a professional sport I do 24/7. In most solo queue pops there are at least 4-5 solo queuers working as a team focusing on objectives. I enjoy the entire group of ragtags forming as a group bond and working to a common goal. That is fun. A 4-man premade in optimized gear having no business in NWZ usually makes the warzone not fun because people start leaving and just give up. I don't blame them when they have 14-18k hp and are facing opponents that have both superior coordination and 22k+ hp. I can't see how the premade in your example can feel good at all since that's an effortless and easy win. They should feel ashamed of themselves for not facing tougher opposition.
This is like playing scrabble but deciding you don't have to properly spell the word. "Come on people, we're just having a friendly game... why you so serious and won't let me spell Kyropractur on the triple word score? It's not -fair- you know how to spell and I never bothered! I just wanna play scrabble casually!"

Once again... cute. We should be ashamed, cause we're all playing well and you all suck.

Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
Queuing for ranked I wouldn't classify as fun. I classify it as a means of satisfying my competitive spirit. That's two separate things. Besides I usually get my fill of that at my work which I get paid to do.
If the PvP in this game is too competitive (cause forming a team is so hard) perhaps you're playing the wrong game? There are casual pvp games out there.

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Theodulus
11.03.2012 , 03:55 PM | #316
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I give up. I'll submit to the almighty war hero that thinks he does the world and his country (saving one country at a time by playing video games) a favor by rolling casuals. It's not every day you see a grown man admitting they enjoy to gang up on and beat people that are far below their skill level and then tell them they should man up. This game is obviously a professional e-sport (especially unranked warzones lol) and I'm bad because I want to meet teams of comparable skill level and composition to slowly better myself and not get totally rolled by the opposition. Is that too much to ask for just because you want to have shorter queue times to roll lesser skilled players? I think the issue with your country is that you think it's ok to kick on people lower in the hierarchy just so you can achieve instant gratification.

Just a question. Would you like it if you could queue a 8-man ops for NWZ and if you do how many days do you think PvP in this game will survive if that happens?

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Crawelc
11.03.2012 , 04:06 PM | #317
I personally was let down when they didnt put 8 mans in regular war zones. Thye are for practice as far as im concerned and we should be able to practice as a full team.
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Doomsdaycomes
11.03.2012 , 04:47 PM | #318
Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
I give up. I'll submit to the almighty war hero that thinks he does the world and his country (saving one country at a time by playing video games) a favor by rolling casuals. It's not every day you see a grown man admitting they enjoy to gang up on and beat people that are far below their skill level and then tell them they should man up. This game is obviously a professional e-sport (especially unranked warzones lol) and I'm bad because I want to meet teams of comparable skill level and composition to slowly better myself and not get totally rolled by the opposition. Is that too much to ask for just because you want to have shorter queue times to roll lesser skilled players? I think the issue with your country is that you think it's ok to kick on people lower in the hierarchy just so you can achieve instant gratification.

Just a question. Would you like it if you could queue a 8-man ops for NWZ and if you do how many days do you think PvP in this game will survive if that happens?
I played on my BM sniper today, 3 matches.

First match I was solo. We ended up against a 4 man premade, and lost East within the first minute. Do you know why we lost East? Because the PuG over there didn't call it. Not before they showed up, not during, not even after he died. Most of my team didn't even notice East being lost until I asked "Why wasn't there a call?"

Second Match, I teamed with one other player. -One.- We rolled into a PuG vs. PuG and won by a bare margin. Why did the other team lose? Because the guard I attacked not once, not twice, but three times failed to call for help until he was dead. He was a sorc sacc'ing his health and healing to buff his medals.

Third match, still teamed with only -one- other person. Huttball, on a PuG vs. a 4 man Premade. We won, 6 - 0 with 2 minutes left on the clock. Why did we win? Because PuG's were saying things like "Upper ramp" "Get ahead of me!" "I'm at their goal."

What is the lesson here? It has nothing to do with ganging up on them "Poor, undergeared casuals with my big mean team of WH-augmented." It has nothing to do with saving a country from it's decline. Pure and simple, the "casual" excuse for why they are losing is complete, utter, rubbish. Refusing to take advantage of all tools and options available to you, and then expecting other's to play by your same rule book, your same code of honor is a scrub mentality.

I have some assigned reading for you. First, look up "Playing to Win" by Sirlin. It's a fairly short book, available on the internet for free, that explains the difference between a scrub and a good player. It isn't that the scrub is unskilled... no, they may actually be quite capable. They are however, held back by their own inhibitions. "Playing to Win" by Sirlin.

Then pick up a book by Scott Olson Card, titled "Ender's Game." I think after you read it, it will be quite the eye-opener.

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LenrocNewDawn
11.04.2012 , 03:20 AM | #319
It is unbelievable how some of you are unable or unwilling to understand a simple concept. Unbalanced WZs matches are a bad thing to have in a game, any type of game in RL or in a virtual world. That's why you have leagues of different valor. How much fun any of you would have if you get in a boxing match against Vitali Klitschko ???

We must have pre-mades in SWTOR and those need to be able to queue for normal WZs but they must face other pre-mades in order to keep things balanced and fun.
How hard is to understand that? It's not frikkin rocket science!!!

P.S. Stop drawing conclusions from 3 batches of data samples. You are making yourself look bad.
“Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent.”

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DarthRaika
11.04.2012 , 03:30 AM | #320
lol 3 matches and draws conclusions like that. Being the statistics nerd I am I think I just died a little inside....

Look this game's pvp is bad for both casuals (majority of mmo subs) and for pvp'rs that want even matches. I know the real reasons you are fighting the idea of premade matching but it really wouldn't be the end of the world for you. There would still be a major gear gap and composition requirements to be met that would allow you to stomp other premades pretty often.

Before FTP this game NEEDS cross server q's, premade matching, and mixed faction teams (when needed) at least. I also think it would help if optimization was removed from pvp and instead a new pvp gear tier was added in its place. For ppl that like optimization they could still allow 1 slot or so to be changed around. Its just there shouldn't be as large of a difference between top tier gear and optimized top tier gear as there is now.