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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Jadescythe
10.31.2012 , 02:40 PM | #261
Quote: Originally Posted by BlaadG View Post
Most complains (not mine, I don't mind premades even though I solo queue 99% of a time) are that solo queuers/causals/bads, whatever the name, feel that facing a premade/people with beter gear/using voice comms is unfair. It should fix that unfairness, wouldn't it? It would also allow people to more realistically asses their current level of ability. Team ranked would be still top-of-the-top for pros in pvp-guilds like you, but for :foreveralones: like me, solo-only ranked would give us more fair or "competitive" environment to play in.

Works in other games, dunno why shouldn't it work in this one.
I think MRJ brought this up earlier, but what game are you playing with a solo-only queue that is team based? FPS don't have solo-only and I really haven't played any other MMOs so I don't know if they do. If you have an example of one and how it works that might help your case out.
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BlaadG
10.31.2012 , 02:44 PM | #262
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Populations and no cross server. Like I said above... I would be all for it if it wouldn't hinder the war zone Q pops. Options are good. It just won't work with the current game design.
Yes, that idea probably should not be implemented before cross-server queues.
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Rerkk
10.31.2012 , 02:46 PM | #263
i think if they did 4 man ques for RWZs that the problem would be solved. Im not against pre-mades in UN-RWZs, i que with a group 90% of the time. since ranked PvP is basically dead rite now beacuse the 8 ppl required to q, 4man RWZ ques would potentially fix it because more groups would be queing up, and less pre-mades in UN-RWZs.

just my thought.
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UGLYMRJ
10.31.2012 , 02:48 PM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
I think MRJ brought this up earlier, but what game are you playing with a solo-only queue that is team based? FPS don't have solo-only and I really haven't played any other MMOs so I don't know if they do. If you have an example of one and how it works that might help your case out.
I've never seen one in an MMO and I think the only game that has a population to support it would be WoW.

And actually now that I think of it... MW3 DOES have an option to not allow groups. It's been a while but that is the ONLY game I can think of that has it and well.... again, it can only get away with it because of it's high population.

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BlaadG
10.31.2012 , 02:49 PM | #265
I am not sure how you can have internet and not have heard about LoL.

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UGLYMRJ
10.31.2012 , 02:50 PM | #266
Quote: Originally Posted by BlaadG View Post
I am not sure how you can have internet and not have heard about LoL.
Again.... population to support it. I always forget about that game and I don't know much about it.... but I KNOW it has a much higher population base per server than this game.

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BlaadG
10.31.2012 , 03:14 PM | #267
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Again.... population to support it. I always forget about that game and I don't know much about it.... but I KNOW it has a much higher population base per server than this game.
Let's not try to make this game better, because pop is too low. If we leave it as it is population can only grow, rite?

As I said before: yes, cross-server WZ queues should have been in game when first servers were being shut down.

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UGLYMRJ
10.31.2012 , 03:24 PM | #268
Quote: Originally Posted by BlaadG View Post
Let's not try to make this game better, because pop is too low. If we leave it as it is population can only grow, rite?
It would anger more than it would please under the current design. It would only hurt populations... not help them.

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Mournblood
10.31.2012 , 04:10 PM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
I think MRJ brought this up earlier, but what game are you playing with a solo-only queue that is team based? FPS don't have solo-only and I really haven't played any other MMOs so I don't know if they do. If you have an example of one and how it works that might help your case out.
RIFT.

Rift has cross-server queues. Solo queues (which are also matched based on gear), and grouped queues for all things premade. It makes PvP sooooo much more enjoyable. If I'm in a group of guildmates on Vent/TS, we get into the group queue against other grouped players. If not enough of my guildmates are online and I just want to grind out some Prestige (Rift's version of Valor), I can queue solo without worrying about some premade farming us at spawn, and on top of that, I'll be queued into a match with/against players of a similar gear level to my own, which also eliminates the "Recruit vs WH" issue in this game.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, you can also choose which WF (Warfront) you queue for, unlike the random WZs we get here.

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Theodulus
10.31.2012 , 04:43 PM | #270
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Enjoy your 45 minute queue times.
Maybe for people premading. The last 3 days I've not been grouped with a single premade in the 50s bracket and I'm almost done with my weekly with just a few hours played. Don't think I faced any premade either or perhaps they just sucked because there were no roflstomping at all going on. Some warzones were infested with quitters though because they were unhappy when there were one or two recruits on the team.

I still think that the 50s normal bracket should be split in two. One upper and one lower bracket. The lower bracket allows for a total gear rating of maybe battlemaster (just add all the rating mods/armorings/enhancments/augments/etc until you get stock battlemaster rating). It also allow you to group up with 1 one friend that fulfills the gear requirement. If he is overgeared or you field 3 or 4 players then you enter the upper bracket. It should make it easier for recruit people gearing up which probably most QQ comes from.