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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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TridusSWTOR
11.27.2012 , 10:49 AM | #1271
Quote: Originally Posted by PloGreen View Post
If people want to play fisher-price pvp where they never want to meet anyone better geared or organized then they are not really ever going to be happy because in what world will that happen? Its a team based mode of play based on gear progression. Solo queue will not stop them meeting better players with better gear, it will not teach them to play as a team either and pvp is all about team work, not heroic rambos trying to make a difference on their own.
So that's why all these premades are gun-ho for ranked pvp right? Oh wait....

I guess you are in fact in support of fisher-price pvp, since well you are part of the problem.

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TridusSWTOR
11.27.2012 , 10:53 AM | #1272
Quote: Originally Posted by SenseX View Post
I think the system is fine overall.

I play in a hardcore PvP guild and queue up with 4-man pre-made all the time.

On the one hand...
It's good to play against Imperial pre-mades and have a tough fight with a real challenge, sometimes we lose, sometimes we win. That's life. When I queue with 4-man premade this is what happens most of the time actually, i.e. we're usually fighting other pre-mades with only a random PUG here and there to fill up the ranks.

On the other hand...
Every now and then it's also fun to play against complete Imperial Recruit PUG teams. Run up to 3 recruits at a turret, Force Leap, Awe everyone, Pacify and kill first guy with default rotation while other 2 can do nothing, pop Zen, kill 2nd one with Precision Slash, Blade Storm and Blade Rush spam, pop Guarded by the Force + Medpac and finish 3rd with whatever I have left. - It's just fun, what can I say Simply good times with my guildmates and on my Combat Sentinel
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Well it's about time someone finally came out and said it. You sir truly have honor, thank you for stepping up and explaining exactly the problem with the current system is.

Good lord I been waiting for this moment.

Well there you have it, the REAL reasons why premades don't sign up for ranked. It's plain as day and even if you log into the game, you can witness it first hand.

So much for premades wanting competition.

Wonder what the next excuse will be...

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Tyrias
11.27.2012 , 11:03 AM | #1273
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
I think we should put this thread on hold until 1.6 comes out and everyone will be full WH in absolutely no time at all which then "pre-mades stomping pugs in recruit gear" will more than likely go away.
It won't go away... not in the slightest.

As things stand at the moment, if you and your pug end up with some fairly experienced players, you don't even notice premades that are just guildies or friends having fun. As such, people don't realise they are "premade" and yet not really a problem.

When people come up against the team of balanced, min-maxed, highly co-ordinated people, THEN they notice it's what they complain about. And because it's such a sound thrashing that they receive, it's something that sticks in their memory. Certainly more so than all those times they actually had fun against an average premade. And that's really what people are complaining about.

So 1.6 won't do anything for that. Cross server queues might help it, if it reboots Ranked WZ to the point they actually pop with some regularity. But even that won't cure it. You'll still get those teams that actually enjoy pug stomping running amok, just because they can.

Personally, I'm not opposed to solo-only queue. That way, solo-ers and groupers both take a small hit, instead of soloers constantly having to "Learn to deal with" and groupers getting what they want. Solo queue not popping because it's not busy enough? Team up and try the group queue... Group queue not popping quick enough for your liking? Run a couple of warzones solo while you wait for things to get busier. If you don't want to change the way you play to get quicker queue pops, then it's your CHOICE to wait for longer queue times.

Hell, if there were separate queues for solo and grouped, and there was an option to queued for both as a solo player (solo or fill gaps in group games), I'd still do it. I know how to work with a premade group as well as a pug group, so it's no loss to me. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people ended up doing that, consequently not really reducing queue times that much at all.
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PloGreen
11.27.2012 , 11:12 AM | #1274
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
So that's why all these premades are gun-ho for ranked pvp right? Oh wait....

I guess you are in fact in support of fisher-price pvp, since well you are part of the problem.
What?

Unranked warzones are exactly what they say they are. Solo or group of 4, since the start of the game.

They are not warzones for new players, puggers or casuals exclusively and that is what you fail to grasp.

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PloGreen
11.27.2012 , 11:17 AM | #1275
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Well it's about time someone finally came out and said it. You sir truly have honor, thank you for stepping up and explaining exactly the problem with the current system is.

Good lord I been waiting for this moment.

Well there you have it, the REAL reasons why premades don't sign up for ranked. It's plain as day and even if you log into the game, you can witness it first hand.

So much for premades wanting competition.

Wonder what the next excuse will be...
There is no excuse for complaining about people doing exactly what you are capable of doing i.e playing the game as it was intended to be played (make 3 friends and press the group button or press the solo button). Some of us group and solo queue you know.

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Jadescythe
11.27.2012 , 11:18 AM | #1276
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Well it's about time someone finally came out and said it. You sir truly have honor, thank you for stepping up and explaining exactly the problem with the current system is.

Good lord I been waiting for this moment.

Well there you have it, the REAL reasons why premades don't sign up for ranked. It's plain as day and even if you log into the game, you can witness it first hand.

So much for premades wanting competition.

Wonder what the next excuse will be...
Are you telling me you don't find it amusing to take on 3 enemies and win? In the scenario presented by the person you quoted, how did being in a premade aid his soloing 3 baddies at a node?

The sentiment expressed in that post is what solo queuers feel they should be doing. Unfortunately, when the 3 people are coordinated, the solo attacker dies in one stun. Working as intended you might say.

Nice to see that one person supporting premades likes to go Rambo on undergeared players and you feel that is proof that premades are the problem in warzones. All I see is that 3 people don't know how to dig their heads out long enough to stop one person.
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YaanaOhtar
11.27.2012 , 11:51 AM | #1277
I wonder, if it interesting to make a post naming guild, group premade that farm pug ? i could name 1 groups^_^.

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Prisoner
11.27.2012 , 12:25 PM | #1278
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashaari View Post
Do you have any idea what the ranked queues are for?
Yeah, I do. Do you? They're for the two or three guilds per server that can field the best geared composition teams. Not for people who are more casual like me and my friends who play maybe for an hour or two on weeknights as we rotate players through who are logging on and off.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ashaari View Post
Yes getting eight together is difficult at best and time consuming , and whats the point?
Look, I've actually been in groups that have tried to put together ranked kickball and even somewhat succeeded. It took an hour and a half of standing around on the fleet while they scraped willing players of the right class together. All of that for just three games. And that was on the night where we actually got it to work. Sometimes people put a hell of a lot of effort in and you just can't find the players. It's just not feasible for most guilds most nights. At best, I could see it happening with a hell of a lot of effort maybe once or twice a week.

And you know what? I like to pvp, with my friends, and I don't want to have to go through all of that freaking effort just to do it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ashaari View Post
They have been pre-season since they were introduced. I have seen no recent information that this status will be changed.

Make ranked premades of 4 + 4 to incentivise the pre-mades to get out of normal and leave the new players and soloers to have their fun their way.
Or, you know, you could stop trying to solo a game that's built around grouping, join a guild and run with two or three friends of your own.

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Dacer
11.27.2012 , 12:37 PM | #1279
I see this is still going.

Im in a pretty active guild and there are always groups going for pvp.
However because of the times a typically pvp - I usually end up solo quing.

I have absolutely NO problems with solo quing... I win far more than 50% of the time. And even when I lose I normally have played well enough and got my 8 medals and get around 80-90 comms, and thats not bad for losing.

I've been in a lot of all sub groups that have beat teams with a premade on it.

There are a lot of ppl that do solo however that are very casual in their pvp and do stuff like leave nodes undefended and don't call out incomings. Thats normally what loses those games. its because ppl make mistakes - really noob mistakes.

Pre-made groups of 4 are not ruining pvp. If you think they are; i guess you are really unlucky with your ques, are bad and are apart of the problem why your team lost, Or maybe you're server just has a lot of really bad solo quers.

I play on PoT5 - solo quing is just fine.

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Larry_Dallas
11.27.2012 , 12:47 PM | #1280
Quote: Originally Posted by Prisoner View Post
Not for people who are more casual like me and my friends who play maybe for an hour or two on weeknights as we rotate players through who are logging on and off.
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Pretty sure you are not who is being complained about. Generally, they're talking about min/maxed griefers who drop q until they get 6-8 in the warzone, which do exist and do q frequently during peak hours.