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utio
10.13.2012 , 06:15 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Redat View Post
QFT! Anyone who was playing STO from launch can remember the "nothing game changing will appear in the store" line by Cryptic, until they did this:

1) Put the "exclusive" pre-order rewards that people payed top dollars for into the store.
2) Put Ships/gear with better stats on the store making it pay2win overnight. (these items MAY be obtainable by other means if you want to grind for a few months if you are lucky....)
3) The great lock-box con......how blatantly cash-grabbing is that?

Mark my words, as soon as FTP hits you will see a raft of items in the store that WERE ear-marked as "content", there will be no more "content" other than store items (including new areas/planets/warzones).
There's a difference here, as the game won't be fully FTP. And name me something in sto that was from lockboxes that you had to have to play the game. Sure there's exclusive ships but you don't need them.
Also, it's not a con. To con someone means you have to deceive them into giving you their money. They say exactly what's available in the boxes, so it's not a con.
Anyone who buys a lockbox and whinges they didn't get what they paid for/wanted is a fool who is easily parted from his money. There is nothing wrong with them, people are just worried it'll have some nice shiney in it that they want.
PROPER SPACE COMBAT PLEASE

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kooffee
10.13.2012 , 06:25 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
Stuff that I can take or leave, but that other people will willingly pay a little extra money to have.

You have a problem with people being given things that they can spend their money on if they want to?

What do you care if someone spends a few dollars to get some spiffy armor?

No guns are being put to anyone's heads here. Your character can wear the gear that they have right now and perform just as well.

Heck, I have no problem not buying stuff. I have never even felt the need to buy the lower-level speeder access as a legacy option. I know that these mystery boxes aren't being put into the game for my benefit.

I won't buy them. Simple and done. If you have a problem with them, I suggest that you don't buy them either.

But other people? They can do what they want to do, and if they buy these boxes, then more power to them. I hope they get what they are looking for.

so we should give up gambling laws, and let children under-age gamble? it doesn't matter if the prize is worth 0.1 or 10.00 it is still under-age gambling. is that person going to stop if they don't get what they want from the first box? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 20th? what about the month after when the next item comes? after all noone going to want to open any boxes unless it has some really fat loot.

In fact its worse, because it will be taking advantaging of young developing minds which is exactly the reason we have gambling laws to protect children. do you really think the big casinos care if a child was betting or not? no they don't. but governments and parents do and there is a lot of medical evidence to support the fact teenage and younger minds are very susceptible to these mini "highs"

the idea is going to be simple, spam every player with loads of boxes and make them want to pay to take a chance.

these are not just simple keys to a lock door, these lock boxes are nothing more than a pay per roll which is exactly like the 100's of legal casino games.


i spend 3 days a week working for a gambling charity its bad enough seeing those in the 20's totally taken over by the buzz, but if its going into video games, then a matter of years a gambler will be about 16 then

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simplius
10.13.2012 , 06:26 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Setsugetsuka View Post
That's exactly my damn point. Meaning that they're going to eventually put things in there that people HAVE to buy to have an edge, because from what we've seen so far, instead of make the game worth the subscription, they just want a cash cow, so they're going to do whatever they can to milk you, they have thrown integrity out of the window.
actually u have to sign everything over to the devil, when u make an MMO

also , don forget the sacrifice of 13 virgin secretaries on launch day

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simplius
10.13.2012 , 06:39 AM | #54
as for P2W, i rarely PVP so my opinions may not matter but:

the "gamer" with few money, but more time and skill

the "casual" with more money, but fewer skills and time

P2W will even that match, giving more income to the game,

but also requiring the "gamer " to take one for the team

even though this "deal" looks okay on paper,, in real life , the gamer will leave for another game

thats what happened in most other MMOs

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simplius
10.13.2012 , 06:58 AM | #55
im surprised, how well the boxes are selling in STO,,unless they lie about it

every 5- 10 mins theres 1 or 2 guys aquiring the orb weaver ship, or whatever

and the fact that they dont tell it in normal chat

but IN A BIG MESSAGE ACROSS THE SCREEN

thats marketing at its worst, i have no problems with spending money in STO

but lockboxes? no thanx, i buy only what i can see,,borg officers,refit ships,,,

and SHORT SKIRTS

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utio
10.13.2012 , 07:00 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by kooffee View Post
so we should give up gambling laws, and let children under-age gamble? it doesn't matter if the prize is worth 0.1 or 10.00 it is still under-age gambling. is that person going to stop if they don't get what they want from the first box? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 20th? what about the month after when the next item comes? after all noone going to want to open any boxes unless it has some really fat loot.

In fact its worse, because it will be taking advantaging of young developing minds which is exactly the reason we have gambling laws to protect children. do you really think the big casinos care if a child was betting or not? no they don't. but governments and parents do and there is a lot of medical evidence to support the fact teenage and younger minds are very susceptible to these mini "highs"

the idea is going to be simple, spam every player with loads of boxes and make them want to pay to take a chance.

these are not just simple keys to a lock door, these lock boxes are nothing more than a pay per roll which is exactly like the 100's of legal casino games.


i spend 3 days a week working for a gambling charity its bad enough seeing those in the 20's totally taken over by the buzz, but if its going into video games, then a matter of years a gambler will be about 16 then
So ban all forms of gambling because parents can't be parents? Or because there's a guy round the corner who can't stop spending money on the lottery?
Ban all cigarettes? Smoking addiction.
Ban all alcohol? Alcoholism.
Ban fairground games, sticker albums, scratch cards, credit cards?
Yes there are people who have a problem, but that's not everyone else's fault. The biggest annoyance to me in this is the kids need to be protected from lockboxes argument. What about the violence in this game? Torture? Is that ok for young impressionable minds?
PROPER SPACE COMBAT PLEASE

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Redat
10.13.2012 , 07:06 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
So ban all forms of gambling because parents can't be parents? Or because there's a guy round the corner who can't stop spending money on the lottery?
Ban all cigarettes? Smoking addiction.
Ban all alcohol? Alcoholism.
Ban fairground games, sticker albums, scratch cards, credit cards?
Yes there are people who have a problem, but that's not everyone else's fault. The biggest annoyance to me in this is the kids need to be protected from lockboxes argument. What about the violence in this game? Torture? Is that ok for young impressionable minds?
Typical "I'm alright jack stuff the rest".........clearly needs to grow up and smell what hes shovelin

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utio
10.13.2012 , 07:32 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Redat View Post
Typical "I'm alright jack stuff the rest".........clearly needs to grow up and smell what hes shovelin
Seriously? You seriously think that the millions of people that enjoy gambling, drinking, smoking, etc should have it taken away because of a few people that can't manage an addiction? Of course thats blowing things out of proportion, but the point is lockboxes shouldnf not be in the game because some people will spend all their money on them.
PROPER SPACE COMBAT PLEASE

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kooffee
10.13.2012 , 07:38 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
So ban all forms of gambling because parents can't be parents?
Or because there's a guy round the corner who can't stop spending money on the lottery?
Ban all cigarettes? Smoking addiction.
Ban all alcohol? Alcoholism.
Ban fairground games, sticker albums, scratch cards, credit cards?
Yes there are people who have a problem, but that's not everyone else's fault. The biggest annoyance to me in this is the kids need to be protected from lockboxes argument. What about the violence in this game? Torture? Is that ok for young impressionable minds?
it isn't the fact kids need protection,
its a fact protection is allready in place and game company's are using grey areas and loopholes to get around them.

take this example. how would you feel if lets say your child is able to register a account and bet money on a random event and spent lets say 30.00, then month after he spend 50.00 for the next fad, when you look you relies the payment method was in your name, but the account is in the name of your child? parents fault? you thought it was just some game and you was paying for a subscription like most other games,

you didn't know some random pay to spin game using real money was in the game.

there is really no difference between going into a casino and paying for chips to place bets and playing a video game and buying a virtual chip to spend on a bet, loads of company's already do this legally and within the law, they do not take advantage of grey areas and try to get away with it before everyone catches up. and it should not be even thought about has central to f2p business model.

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Redat
10.13.2012 , 07:40 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
Seriously? You seriously think that the millions of people that enjoy gambling, drinking, smoking, etc should have it taken away because of a few people that can't manage an addiction? Of course thats blowing things out of proportion, but the point is lockboxes shouldnf not be in the game because some people will spend all their money on them.
I NEVER stated ANYTHING about gambling/addiction or anything of the like, I object to players being dimed to death, period........please read before putting your words out there........