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Deception/Infiltration and Terror From Beyond


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Wraiven
10.10.2012 , 11:21 AM | #1
I know Deception and Infiltration got a buff, but it still lacks what it needs to be competitive in Hard Mode EC and TFB. The DPS simply is not there.

You can take a Training Dummy and Mox and test your DPS out, and it's extremely lacking. You can compare your DPS stats to any other DPS in Mox after a boss fight, and be tailing waaaaay behind. Simply put...it's not viable...still.

I have some ideas to make it viable, but this thread is not about that right now. What I want to know is, from any of you...any of you at all...has any of you had any luck with your Deception/Infiltration Spec Assassins/Shadows with HM EC or TFB?

If so, how are you specced (Pleae, no Hybrids here, I know what Hybrids are capable of, I want to know Deception and Infiltration only here) and what are you ranking in your MOX?

Please...be honest here.
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Wraiven
10.10.2012 , 11:24 AM | #2
Why in the hell was this removed? This was about classes and specs and how they relate to Operations...not something to just stick in another thread...
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anstalt
10.10.2012 , 12:16 PM | #3
Haven't managed to get in a raid as inf spec since 1.4, but during 1.3 I was already viable for a DPS spot so I imagine things have already gotten better. Whilst other classes can certainly do more DPS than a shadow or assassin, we can easily beat the minimum DPS required for any HM boss enrage timer.

The main issue with EC HM and shadows was the squishiness, especially on Toth and Zorn, but that hasn't changed much tbh.
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Andar
10.10.2012 , 01:16 PM | #4
OP, pls include your stat makeup from gear, as well as ability priority for maximum force regen.

Mele bns: 702
Force: 982
Crit: 33.5%
surge: 78%

When you parse data from a boss, be sure to factor your total dmg done in the fight against the bosses full HP. I've found infils dps reading to be spiky. (some really beautiful moments with armor debuffs at 1900 dps, and other moments where you have to slow dps by moving around 1400).

Regardless, infiltration, when geared appropriately, and also managing force gain through blackout and force cloak, has more than the needed dps for your role in beating the enrage timer. Also factor infiltration is 100% single target damage.

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Wraiven
10.10.2012 , 01:47 PM | #5
I'll have to report back later on that.


(Updated)


I never run out of Force...ever since the last patch, force has been a non issue. Thing is, especially on TFB, seems my spec is extremely under par. Have another guild mate with the same issue. Hitting Enrage timers at 25% Health or above. One reported at 35% health.

Just seems the other classes can go with the set issued gear without min maxing and do fine, where as a Deception Assassin, we have to really crunch those numbers to be viable.

Anyway, being asked to spec as Madness, and am looking for a way out here. Madness is boooooring and would rather not.


Melee: 517
Force: 729
Crit: 37.7%
Surge: 69.7%

This is without stims.
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sankalp
10.10.2012 , 06:15 PM | #6
Deception has always been very gear heavy.

Its been quite some time since I played as dps(Guild wanted tank) so I cannot say how it fares in TFB

Also, I believe deception is more of a PVP spec, specially now with increased damage red.

From what I am led to believe, in pvp you can maul outta stealth, reckless+ shock and then assassinate all hitting in the 6k-7k category.

If that is not burst I don't know what is

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Crionos
10.10.2012 , 06:16 PM | #7
Your stats seem really out of whack?

What are you running for gear?

Take a look at this, I'm not saying that this is the absolute best stat itemization for an Infiltration shadow, but I do believe it will put you more on track.

If you haven't cleared EC SM yet and are still not in full Rakata, TFB is going to be a bit harder in SM.

If you are talking HM that's a whole other story

Here are the stat priorities without any buffs.

Willpower >= Accuracy (110%) > Crit (30%) = Surge (75%) > Power/Force Power

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...4-8536509f73a6
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Wraiven
10.10.2012 , 06:22 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Crionos View Post
Your stats seem really out of whack?

What are you running for gear?

Take a look at this, I'm not saying that this is the absolute best stat itemization for an Infiltration shadow, but I do believe it will put you more on track.

If you haven't cleared EC SM yet and are still not in full Rakata, TFB is going to be a bit harder in SM.

If you are talking HM that's a whole other story

Here are the stat priorities without any buffs.

Willpower >= Accuracy (110%) > Crit (30%) = Surge (75%) > Power/Force Power

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...4-8536509f73a6
I am in all Black Hole/Campaign gear with the exception of my main Hand which is Rakata and my implants/Ears which is also Rakata.

Every single last peice of gear I have is fully augmented with Heavy Willpower Low Endurance.

So what in the hell am I doing wrong here?
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Andar
10.10.2012 , 07:42 PM | #9
You're not doing anything wrong, you just have the stock gear, it seems. Take a look at the Black Hole Striker boots, and start farming those mods and enhancements to put in other pieces. Just seems like you're missing a bit of power and surge you could definitely benefit from.

Also try to get the battlemaster or war hero relics with +113 power on those (just a personal preference of mine, some prefer other relics). Yes, they're PvP pieces, but considered by many to be BiS for PvE as well

Personally, i only use 171 accuracy, and kinda go over the surge DR a little bit. around 78.5%

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Wraiven
10.10.2012 , 08:56 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Andar View Post
You're not doing anything wrong, you just have the stock gear, it seems. Take a look at the Black Hole Striker boots, and start farming those mods and enhancements to put in other pieces. Just seems like you're missing a bit of power and surge you could definitely benefit from.

Also try to get the battlemaster or war hero relics with +113 power on those (just a personal preference of mine, some prefer other relics). Yes, they're PvP pieces, but considered by many to be BiS for PvE as well

Personally, i only use 171 accuracy, and kinda go over the surge DR a little bit. around 78.5%
I'll do that. Thanks for the tips. Deception just seems to me to be one of the most difficult specs to put together, and it's a ton of work and time to do so. Hopefully the spec sees some more love in future patches.

Appreciate the help, guys...really. Very grateful here.
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