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Suggestion: 16 man raiding guild (Empire side)

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Suggestion: 16 man raiding guild (Empire side)

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Anubis_Black
10.10.2012 , 05:20 AM | #1
This message is an appeal to the remaining active guilds on the server: Saga, Guardians of Stars, Hubris, Status Quo, The Brotherhood of Darkness, Malevolence, Element Zero, Floor Inspectors etc., the 16 man guilds that quit altogether: Impetus, Placeholder etc., and finally to anyone who is still playing the game on Empire side on TOFN who has the gear, experience and will to raid 16 man.

There is no 16 man raiding guild on the Empire side. I believe there is only one on Republic side (FriendlyFire), but there might be more, that's not important right now. A few questions for everyone- How long since you last killed Nightmare Pilgrim? How long since you last raided 16 man? Is your guild's recruitment forum emptier than a toothpaste aisle in an English store? If you answered with "Yes." to any question but the last, what?!

This is a serious matter though, so I'd like to see how many people are actually interested in raiding 16 man. Yes, the game is ridiculously easy. Yes, the content comes out less often than Halley's Comet. Yes, the subscription numbers are too low to have multiple 16 man guilds. Yes, people are happy with being in an 8 man guild and play casually. BUT, why not try and make a "last stand"? Why not try and form a 16 man guild for the upcoming Nightmare Modes? Why not put some faith in the NiM difficulty that we've been promised? Who's with me?

I guess this wasn't as inspirational as I'd have thought. However, my appeal is for the remaining 8 man guilds who actually want to raid 16 man but do not have the player base and are struggling, to unite and attempt to form alliances, mergers or lend people to fellow guilds to possibly do 16 man. The way I actually see it is to have the best 4- 5 players from say 6 guilds form a guild. Or possibly a different distribution like 8 people from 4 guilds. The idea is to have a 30ish member guild, since from those 30 5- 6 will not make the cut, 5- 6 will quit shortly and not integrate and we are left with 20ish people, which might become a problem if more than 3- 4 people miss a raid on a given day. But I can see how this is unreasonable, given the fact that every hardcore raider that I know has stopped playing or doesn't want to play hardcore. So the appeal is more for 16 man raiding than anything else. 10 people can carry the other 6 and I'd have no problem with that, it's more challenging that way.

I leave you with the questions "Are there any similar minded people left?", "Does anyone feel the same way?", "Would you put aside your "community" and leave the comfort of slacking to actually be part of a guild that does 16 man in a dying game or rather stay in an 8 man raid with friends, who you know aren't very good players, but you still have fun?". I know it's too much to ask, so I don't have my hopes up. Let me know how you feel. Try to communicate between guilds, contact each other if the above is something you'd be interested in doing. The F2P players aren't raiders, they won't sub to see NiM operations. We are the last of our kind. Don't let us die out. The game needs the 1%.

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warriorcat
10.10.2012 , 06:01 AM | #2
pvp server *hint
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ZipZep
10.10.2012 , 06:20 AM | #3
Guess CORAL succes in both the PvE and PvP arena proves that one thing doesnt rule out the other

Its true though, that this server properbly has alot more players in full War Hero than Full Campaign (Didnt actually make a survey of this, so feel free to /slap if im wrong)

For me, im pretty happy at the moment with just seeing the Operations in story-mode. Dont think my War Hero geared sniper is strong enough for NiM mode anyway??

Good Initiative though, I hope you guys get a group together

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vandana_
10.10.2012 , 07:09 AM | #4
It's a good initiative. At least worth discussing What is your character name?
V'ox

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Smithie
10.10.2012 , 07:38 AM | #5
-----> Just for the record i am not an officer so i don't speak for the guild <-----

For The Brotherhood of Darkness its all down to raiding time !!

Most guilds like to start at around 20:00 cet. We start at 22:30 cet. Only other guild that i know of that starts that late is primera sangria, a spanish only guild.

Currently most 16 man content doesnt seem worth it in my eyes. TFB 16 man sm just seemed abit to easy and fits really well with the kind of loot you get from it. And do people really still want to do EV and KP (kinda sick of those places)

Obviously it would be cool to try TFB 16 man HM some day and to finish of the 16 man EC HM.
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vandana_
10.10.2012 , 07:48 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Smithie View Post
-----> Just for the record i am not an officer so i don't speak for the guild <-----

For The Brotherhood of Darkness its all down to raiding time !!

Most guilds like to start at around 20:00 cet. We start at 22:30 cet. Only other guild that i know of that starts that late is primera sangria, a spanish only guild.

Currently most 16 man content doesnt seem worth it in my eyes. TFB 16 man sm just seemed abit to easy and fits really well with the kind of loot you get from it. And do people really still want to do EV and KP (kinda sick of those places)

Obviously it would be cool to try TFB 16 man HM some day and to finish of the 16 man EC HM.
This whole thing will mostly come down to agreeing the raiding time IMO. And if I understand the OP correctly (and what would make the most sense) the raiding team would consist of people ready for TFB HM.
V'ox

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Anubis_Black
10.10.2012 , 12:59 PM | #7
warriorcat, I'm surprised you don't know that, but it's a consensus for top raiding guilds and raiding guilds in general to roll on PvP servers. It might not be intuitive, but all or the vast majority of the guilds who beat the hardest encounters in WoW/SWTOR are on PvP servers. There are a number of reasons for this, but it is a whole different topic and I'd rather not digress. The actual problem is the lack of activity anymore. There were quite a few 16 man raiding guilds both on my previous (also PvP) server, as well as on this one. However, it seems that the people who want to do the hardest operations are the first ones to unsubscribe (mostly due to lack of difficulty as well as content), hence the lack of raiders.

vandana, my character is Anubisblack, a DPS Sorc. I was full BiS in 1.2? I believe when we were clearing KP and EV 16 man Nightmare Mode in one night every week with a guild called Cosmos on Legions of Lettow until people, myself included, gave up (everyone was BiS). Then I came to TOFN and joined Regret, where we again cleared EC 16 man HM every week and everyone was BiS until people, again myself included, gave up. Now I'm back for a third time and I can't find a 16 man guild to raid with, hence I made the topic. I am TfB 16 man HM ready in terms of gear as well as tactics, but I sincerely don't see the difficulty of the instance. The general idea is to get geared for and mainly focus on the upcoming Nightmare Modes. The rest of the content is laughable and hopefully those will stand out.

Smithie, it's good that you are enthusiastic about the idea. It would be even better if you can contact your officers and see what they think about this, as well as the whole guild. The late night raiding could be a problem though, since the way I see it, your guild prioritizes the time of the raids over actually getting the bosses down. I.e. I doubt people would be available to raid as soon as the servers are up (extreme example).

Malevolence used to be 16 man, so I expected at least someone to be eager to raid in a larger group again. It would be good if we can see the stance of other guilds. I'm happy to create a guild under a new tag, to get all the people to join under an existing tag, or to get a raiding team from random guilds not under a common tag. Regardless, the idea is to get 16 man TfB HM down and get geared/prepared for EC 16 man NiM as well as eventually TfB 16 man NiM.

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alifaraaz
10.11.2012 , 12:53 AM | #8
Yikes, to be honest the answer to most of your questions would be "a long time ago", 1.3's lack of content really did a number on our raid team. We really pushed for 16mans in EC, and we did quite a few times, never killed Kephess though, as eventually people quit and we didnt have the numbers to continue. Since then we've recruited like 20players only to lose 15 (rough example), and it is a real pain at times.

But we (Element Zero) like 16mans. Not so much for the difficulty, but for the social fun aspect of it. We just find 16mans to be more fun, so we plan on continuing recruiting until we can do them again. As for the difficulty, its up for debate and cba really. It's clear BW try to make them as close as possible. Most of EC was harder on 8, except for Stormcaller and Firebrand. 16 just sometimes gives the perception of harder due to, as you said, 10 carrying the other 6.

Were pretty close to building a solid team now. We have 2 very active tanks (me being one), about 6 healers, but only about 10-12 dps overall, all of which rarely can attend a single raid.
So naturally, as listed in our recruitment thread, were looking for 1m tank and a handful of dps to join the team.

However we only raid 3 nights a week, were not particularly hardcore and so we might not be what you're looking for Anubis still the offer is there, feel free to fill in an app and join us in the effort for 16man raiding.

-Kazar (Tank Role Officer @ Element Zero)
Kazar - Powertech, [Tomb of Freedom Nadd EU]

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Anubis_Black
10.11.2012 , 08:03 AM | #9
Kazar, the question is if you'd rather push it. I understand the comfort of being in the guild you are in and the community and that is exactly why it's such a tough call to go for more. If I had to choose a guild to join, it'd probably be Saga. The initiative here is to go for more. I.e. Saga + Guardians of Stars + Hubris etc. in a 16 man raiding guild doing 16 man TfB HM.

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BlaadG
10.11.2012 , 09:56 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Anubis_Black View Post
This is a serious matter
Very.