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Dire Juggernaut PvP 3: Warhero


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Dire
10.17.2012 , 12:57 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Marqhill View Post
So I bumped into you in a war zone on my main. You put up a good fight, but how come you had 0 protection? You're not cycling your taunts? That's bad business bro. It's free medals and it helps your team!
If it was this week, I was probably watching Son of Anarchy while playing lol. I'm on season 3!

I usually put the brain power in on weekends. Sorry if i disappointed!
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2.0 Vengeance PvP! Episode 1: The Civil War: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk8eNESEwaU

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Fallerup
10.17.2012 , 01:17 PM | #12
that sword... it's The Chopper right? made by armstechs? or one of those from commedations?

I like rage better because it's simpler to play. Enrage, charge, smash = big numbers all around. The strength with Vengeance is unstoppable, since you are immune to pushbacks.

So how would this spec work?

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#10...R0zZhrRbdfMb.2 <-- 1/16/24

or

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#10...R0zZhrRbdfMo.2 <--- 2/16/23

the only difference being either 1/2 battle cry and 2/2 Shi-cho mastery or the other way around.

With this, you would be an unstoppable smash monkey. the downside is, you lose force crush as a move to generate shockwaves, leaving you with enrage and force choke only.
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Marqhill
10.17.2012 , 08:22 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Dire View Post
If it was this week, I was probably watching Son of Anarchy while playing lol. I'm on season 3!

I usually put the brain power in on weekends. Sorry if i disappointed!
haha... Well if it makes you feel any better you guys won the war zone. I was actually a little frustrated with you because I'm not used to people knowing how to play Vengeance. You did a good job of controlling my Focus Guardian and focus firing me. You've got solid skills.

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Krozis
10.18.2012 , 09:48 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by SenatorPalpaTANG View Post
I liked Dire 2 a bit more, but good video none the less.

Any chance you can get some 1v1s with Marauders/Sents in your next outing? I'm curious how Vengeance stacks up against Annihilation and Carnage specs... not that it matters with everyone playing Rage these days.
^ I was pretty much going to say this.

I enjoy the vids but would love to see how you handle some of the (competent) 1v1 specs that I struggle with.

Also I'm guessing you take Rampage? This confuses me a bit since the Veng rotation (completely opposite of Rage) gets kind of busy.

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Dire
10.18.2012 , 12:19 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Fallerup View Post
that sword... it's The Chopper right? made by armstechs? or one of those from commedations?

I like rage better because it's simpler to play. Enrage, charge, smash = big numbers all around. The strength with Vengeance is unstoppable, since you are immune to pushbacks.

So how would this spec work?

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#10...R0zZhrRbdfMb.2 <-- 1/16/24

or

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#10...R0zZhrRbdfMo.2 <--- 2/16/23

the only difference being either 1/2 battle cry and 2/2 Shi-cho mastery or the other way around.

With this, you would be an unstoppable smash monkey. the downside is, you lose force crush as a move to generate shockwaves, leaving you with enrage and force choke only.
Those specs look interesting. I, personally am not a fan of hybrids because i have a strong belief that those specs were never intended to be strong so if they are they will change (eventually).

Rage is fun as hell though.
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Dire
10.18.2012 , 12:22 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Krozis View Post
^ I was pretty much going to say this.

I enjoy the vids but would love to see how you handle some of the (competent) 1v1 specs that I struggle with.

Also I'm guessing you take Rampage? This confuses me a bit since the Veng rotation (completely opposite of Rage) gets kind of busy.
Rampage is definitely one of my top 3 favorite talents.

Ravage, when used appropriately, is undeniably a game changer in PvP. I use it with enough finesse that it keeps me doing well.
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Dire
10.18.2012 , 12:23 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Marqhill View Post
haha... Well if it makes you feel any better you guys won the war zone. I was actually a little frustrated with you because I'm not used to people knowing how to play Vengeance. You did a good job of controlling my Focus Guardian and focus firing me. You've got solid skills.
Thank you for the feedback.
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Krozis
10.18.2012 , 01:48 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Dire View Post
Rampage is definitely one of my top 3 favorite talents.

Ravage, when used appropriately, is undeniably a game changer in PvP. I use it with enough finesse that it keeps me doing well.
You use ravage that often? I find I use it after a leap with the immobilization + uninteruptable status + Vindicator set bonus, but after that... not so much. Maybe I should sprinkle it in more. I'm always concentrating on Shatter and Impale + Force Scream.....

I am thinking of trying this:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101MZfMrRrhddGRZMM.2

I used to take Payback for extra heal.

Basically I would wait on ravage which by default is 30 Seconds. Minus "Ravager" (-3 Seconds) = 27 Second Ravage.

With Rampage it can refresh Ravage (potentially) every ..... 6 seconds? Does that sound right? Do you use it *that* often?

P.S. I'm seriously thinking of trying this again even if my PVP guild wants to disown me.. I'm very sick of Smash right now and miss the subtlety, and mechanics of Vengeance!

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Dire
10.18.2012 , 06:47 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Krozis View Post
You use ravage that often? I find I use it after a leap with the immobilization + uninteruptable status + Vindicator set bonus, but after that... not so much. Maybe I should sprinkle it in more. I'm always concentrating on Shatter and Impale + Force Scream.....

I am thinking of trying this:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101MZfMrRrhddGRZMM.2

I used to take Payback for extra heal.

Basically I would wait on ravage which by default is 30 Seconds. Minus "Ravager" (-3 Seconds) = 27 Second Ravage.

With Rampage it can refresh Ravage (potentially) every ..... 6 seconds? Does that sound right? Do you use it *that* often?

P.S. I'm seriously thinking of trying this again even if my PVP guild wants to disown me.. I'm very sick of Smash right now and miss the subtlety, and mechanics of Vengeance!
Rampage lowers the chance on this to 9 seconds - 3 seconds for each point after the first. Yes I definitely use it on cooldown. But I have a system not allowing to use it while there is a chance to be interrupted by KB, Stun etc. I mix in either force push to set up a second one if the target does not have defensive CD's up.

USUALLY the rotation goes like this
-Charge(or saber throw first if i can guarantee the GCD use)
-Ravage
-Impale(or Shatter if I was able to Saber Throw)
-Force Scream
-If impale/shatter reset the CD then I force push
-Saber throw
-Charge
-Ravage
-Shatter
-Force Scream
-Impale
-Impale Reset Ravage? = Ravage

Thats a typically good scenario. People don't usually last this long. Obviously consider using things like slows, chokes, interupts, fear etc..

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Krozis
10.19.2012 , 06:24 AM | #20
This is awesome. The extra inclusion of Ravage now and then has really improved my numbers.

I'm really enjoying the build again, and it's been nice moving away from Smash for a while... Unstoppable + Ravage on a stun bubbler who doesn't try to move because they think their bubble is going to save them is quite comical.

I'm not even seeing that many Veng spec Warriors right now in PVP so I think it catches them off guard. What would be nice to have (since BW have done this with other classes) is give a top teir Veng skill that adds AOE DMG reduction.

It doesn't put up smash numbers but I really enjoy the playstyle. Thanks for the solid advice and and putting a good light on the spec. Looking forward to your next video.