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A simple fix for PVP, why are more people not advocating this?

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A simple fix for PVP, why are more people not advocating this?

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Sweeet
10.03.2012 , 04:54 AM | #1
I quit a few months back because I wasnít enjoying myself in PvP, quit simply because I only had full BM gear and didnít have the time to grind out WH gear to be truly competitive. Iíve now come back and am beginning to realise why I quit in the first place, the grind for WH gear is joke, and thatís when I already have full BM. I wanted to start working on my Scoundrel too, but having to grind out not only BM gear, but then WH gear on top of that just in order to be competitive is really putting a bad taste in my mouth. PvP is not fun when you are going up against WH premade over and over, itís as simple as that.

The biggest issue is that losing a Normal Warzone will actually net you more Ranked Warzone commendations than losing a Ranked Warzone... Which is ridiculous, itís no wonder all the premade WH groups are playing normal WZís... Not only do they get more Ranked Warzone commendations if they actually do lose, but the chances of them going up against a rookie pug and stomping them is greatly increased, giving them even more Ranked Warzone commendations for little effort. Since when is designing PVP to cater to this kind of behaviour good game design?

The fix is so simple I really am surprised itís not been done already. If you make losing a Ranked Warzone more lucrative and actually viable for gearing up to WH, it would fix PvP entirely. Recruit players would be left to fight other recruit players in Normal Warzones whilst trying to get their BM gear, and the rest of us in our BM gear and up would be left playing in Ranked Warzones trying to get full WH gear.

Then there is another bonus, what we will start seeing once everyone starts gearing up to the same level in Ranked Warzones, is games becoming more competitive and based on skill, which is what Ranked Warzones are all about in the first place! All the idiots who just want to steamroll the lesser geared players will still have their Normal Warzones and the rest of us will finally be able to start playing competitively and actually having some real fun.

Itís a win/win, and I think a little change like this could not only fix PvP, but save SWTOR in its entirety as the majority of people who have left, have done so because of PvP.

Isnít it about time to lessen the gear grind for WH gear and actually make gearing up through Ranked Warzones viable?

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spectreclees
10.03.2012 , 04:59 AM | #2
I agree, it takes a really long time to get ONE piece of War Hero gear. The gap for new players is way too big or for alts. I re-rolled back to my warrior after playing my sin for months and I'm dreading this grind.

I doubt they'll do anything about it though. One suggestion is to increase the amount of comms you get from games.

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Sweeet
10.03.2012 , 05:06 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by spectreclees View Post
I agree, it takes a really long time to get ONE piece of War Hero gear. The gap for new players is way too big or for alts. I re-rolled back to my warrior after playing my sin for months and I'm dreading this grind.

I doubt they'll do anything about it though. One suggestion is to increase the amount of comms you get from games.
Increasing the amount of commendations you get from Normal Warzones will not help as it will just encourage more WH premades to play in Normal Warzones. What needs to happen is players need to be segregated based on their gear level, which is what Ranked Warzones were supposed to do in the first place - which has obviously failed horribly.

If they fix the gear grind in Ranked Warzones and make the better geared players actually want to play there, they will fix PvP. It really is that simple.

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KeeferE
10.03.2012 , 05:19 AM | #4
Another thought would be to lower the cost oh WH gear.. There are lots of people like me that don't have all that many hours to spend grinding out comms for gear.. Make it easier to get the gear then PvP will become more even and people will enjoy playing..

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Svii
10.03.2012 , 05:41 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Sweeet View Post
What needs to happen is players need to be segregated based on their gear level.
Valor would be the stat to use, it's the only thing players can't abuse. Gear can be manipulated easily. Match making should be based on Valor, but not by some minimum hard cap. Say 70+'s are prioritized together, but not completely locked out of lower Valor games.. Wouldn't want queues to take forever either!

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DarthBeelzebub
10.03.2012 , 06:14 AM | #6
If you dont have the time to put in for the grind dont come to the threads crying about it when u get face rolled. if you want the gear put in the time like the rest of us did.

But yes haveing teams made based on Valor rank would go along way to help everyone enjoy pvp bettter

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Sweeet
10.03.2012 , 06:26 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Svii View Post
Valor would be the stat to use, it's the only thing players can't abuse. Gear can be manipulated easily. Match making should be based on Valor, but not by some minimum hard cap. Say 70+'s are prioritized together, but not completely locked out of lower Valor games.. Wouldn't want queues to take forever either!
People need to be paired based on gear level and skill, Valour doesn't prove either of those. The well geared players need an incentive to play together, if people actually started playing Ranked Warzones competitively, then they would start to get paired with other teams with similar ratings. Problem solved.

However that will never happen unless Bioware makes WH gear easier to obtain. People aren't going to put up with the grind, not that they face in Normal Warzones currently. Hell people have not put up with the grind and left already.

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Kirothen
10.03.2012 , 06:36 AM | #8
Here is my issue with the geared players playing ranked. It is limited to a group of 8. I would put all my credits on the line to say that most full WH PvPers grinded their gear doing regulars either alone or with a select few friends. it is tough to find a full group of 8 outside of primtime (or sometimes during primetime) to queue up. Secondly, since there are limited groups that can scrape together 8 well geared players to be competitive, the queues are crazy long. Who wants to sit and wait when we can slowly have fun grinding out regular coms. I think the root of the problem is the fact that it is limited to a full premade 8 man team. My suggestion would be to not open it up to free solo queing (that would be a mess) but to allow 2 groups of 4 to be paired together. That would keep the integrity of the competition by forcing a 4 man team to queue and it would keep out the random solo recruit gear queuers. And just for reference I am a full WH sentinel with both Elite WH weapons at 76 valor.
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Sweeet
10.03.2012 , 06:38 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBeelzebub View Post
If you dont have the time to put in for the grind dont come to the threads crying about it when u get face rolled. if you want the gear put in the time like the rest of us did.

But yes haveing teams made based on Valor rank would go along way to help everyone enjoy pvp bettter
Some people actually have real life to attend to and can't afford to spend 40+ hours a week running Warzones to get fully geared in a couple of months, if not more - yes it actually takes that long at present. That's over two months playing 40+ hours a week of getting steam-rolled until they can actually start being competitive. Much much longer if you can only spare 15 hours a week.

And people wonder why this game has lost 750,000+ subscribers already. Do you want the game to be a complete failure?

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Svii
10.03.2012 , 06:41 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Sweeet View Post
People need to be paired based on gear level and skill, Valour doesn't prove either of those. The well geared players need an incentive to play together, if people actually started playing Ranked Warzones competitively, then they would start to get paired with other teams with similar ratings. Problem solved.

However that will never happen unless Bioware makes WH gear easier to obtain. People aren't going to put up with the grind, not that they face in Normal Warzones currently. Hell people have not put up with the grind and left already.
I agree with your intention but not your suggested solution based on gear. Like I tried to say, people can enter WZs in level 9 green gear and put on their augmented WH gear once inside and ruin the experience for the fresh 50s. It would work against it's intention.

Valor is the only constant that can be used for creating more equal teams. Valor level requires a certain amount of WZs played and commendations earned, there is no way to cheat with this stat. If you are Valor 70+, you should have pretty decent gear and PVP experience.

Pairing on skill is impossible, skill cannot be measured by gear rating nor Valor rank. Ranked WZs should be the competitive playing field between the top players. When it comes to dedicated and competitive PvP players, the grind will not matter for those that strive to be on the top.

Edit: I would like to see WH gear become slightly easier and streamlined to aquire, I'm not arguing that point