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People favoring Empire ideologically?

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People favoring Empire ideologically?

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Stenrik
10.02.2012 , 06:39 PM | #1
(Please keep this civil, I want a serious discussion.)
My question is not about which faction some people prefer to PLAY, it's which faction people actually "SUPPORT."

I have seen many comments from people on this forum, saying things like "I agree with the Empire, I feel like I belong in the Empire, I play Empire because it's a 'better' faction, I support it, etc..."

Every time I see comments like that, I can't understand how anyone can really feel that way. Do these people actually want their real life governments to be more like the Empire, or are 100% of them really just roleplaying when they say they like the Empire better? If they truly prefer violent efficiency and racial purity, there are a few infamous countries/time periods I wish I could take them to visit...

OK, then let's instead pretend players prefer the Empire as as faction, because it's a lesser of 2 evils:

So what makes the republic so bad to some people? Who CARES if it's kinda dissonant and slow to act... isn't that better than opressing its people and being run by psychopathic maniacs? (Many citizens in my country actually LIKE having a government that can't agree on anything, because it keeps it from becomming too powerful as a whole.) And sure there's corruption in the Republic, but I saw a lot more backstabbing when leveling my Empire characters.

I'm just thinking I might be missing something in the lore here, so please fill me in if you can. There's gotta be more reasons for some people to hate the Republic more than the Empire.

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epicfear
10.02.2012 , 07:00 PM | #2
Most of the backstabbing comes from the sith, and the people who are forced to serve them. I think people favor the empire because:

A) the empire gets things done without debating and squabbling with itself.
B) There are a vast many people who view the empire as cool because they are evil and edgy.
C) Lightning, force chockes, and flamethrowers.
D) many people agree that agent has the best story in the game.
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LeeC
10.02.2012 , 07:01 PM | #3
Speaking strictly from a military standpoint: The Empire has a well oiled military machine (with occasional backfire from sith in fighting) compared to the republic. A prime example are the main military bases on Hoth. If you visit Aurek Base and then Dorn base you will see that Dorn base is better organized with better fortifications and defense. On top of that they are better staffed and lack Sith overlords (for the time being). Aurek base is disorganized, with minimal defenses. Everything is spread out (not unlike the republic itself) which makes it hard to defend.
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The Imperial military is all about efficiency and that is something to be admired. The republic, although diverse which helps with different theater of war, has a very convoluted command structure. You have commanders that speak basic and huttese (and possibly other languages) which may not mesh well when sending orders with mixed divisions. The empire soldiers all know and use basic (even their chiss allies). This way there are no confusions on orders and there is a clear passing down of orders from the top to the bottom. The republic staff (including the spec forces) seem to fade in and out with each other and cause a lot of confusion unless a huge campaign/offensive is being planned. They seem to have a hard time adapting to situations as they are used to using specialists (like the Talz for hoth) to deal with these adverse situations. For example the big guy and tiny guy at Aurek base complaining that they dont have the proper winter gear for this.

The actual ideals for the empire (we conquer everyone so they're is peace) is pretty misguided but has decent intentions (though the sith aristocrats probably want war as revenge and expression of power, yadda yadda yadda). The republic on the other hand is about uniting people through peace and allowing all people regardless of species to have equal representation in the galaxy.

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tolaf
10.02.2012 , 07:05 PM | #4
Nah it's not about politics, it's about that sexy imperial officer uniform!
I think it's really because being a sith/imperial is just more exciting, dramatic, and unpredicatable and people say they support it because they get into character.
No one really wants to serve under an evil dictator.
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Stenrik
10.02.2012 , 07:18 PM | #5
That is a great response, LeeC. I guess I had assumed that people include the Sith as part of the whole "Empire Package" but you're saying people can reasonably like the Empire but hate the Sith, correct? Also, if the empire is so strong and efficient, I don't see why they let the Sith push them around. Maybe I'm underestimating the power of the Sith here, but it seems like the Empire would benefit in efficiency (and overall) by parting ways with them. Teaming up with them seems like they're ideologically supporting the Sith (yeah, "enemy of my enemy is my friend" but still...)

The reason I was under the impression that there was a lot of backstabbing was
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I remember similar sentiments from empire officers while leveling, too. Don't remember specifics though since, again, it's been awhile since I did all the imp side quests.

As for the whole "Peace through Unity" thing, I mean... that is a good point. But to be honest it seems like a very thinly-veiled excuse to gain money and power violently. I'm sure a certain German Dictator several decades ago wanted peace in the end as well, just by his terms. "All's well that ends well" isn't a very good saying for politics!

And I might be able to buy the Empire's "peace through unity" thing if they weren't so speciest. I don't see why they couldn't have peace through IDEALOGICAL unity, attempting to condition more exotic alien cultures to follow their ways, instead of rejecting them altogether. If the Empire truly wants power, it just seems dumb for them to ignore so many able-bodied aliens.

I dunno, the whole thing just doesn't come together with me. I tend to have seen the Rep's inefficiency in a positive light, but it's possible my relatively "small government" political views are making me biased?

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OldVengeance
10.02.2012 , 07:41 PM | #6
Peace isn't the highest ideal in the Empire, power is.

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Dras_Keto
10.02.2012 , 07:42 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Stenrik View Post
And I might be able to buy the Empire's "peace through unity" thing if they weren't so speciest. I don't see why they couldn't have peace through IDEALOGICAL unity, attempting to condition more exotic alien cultures to follow their ways, instead of rejecting them altogether. If the Empire truly wants power, it just seems dumb for them to ignore so many able-bodied aliens.
Its because they are the "bad guys" and eventually, they have to lose.

Think about it. If you removed the "RAWR, all aliens must die!!" bit, and made the Sith slightly less short-fused, homicidal maniacs, the Empire would roll right over the Republic like it was an old, worn down speed bump. The only point for those facets to be there is so that people will be able to tell the black hats from the white hats, and to make sure that the black hats end up defeating themselves.

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Stenrik
10.02.2012 , 07:53 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Dras_Keto View Post
Its because they are the "bad guys" and eventually, they have to lose.

Think about it. If you removed the "RAWR, all aliens must die!!" bit, and made the Sith slightly less short-fused, homicidal maniacs, the Empire would roll right over the Republic like it was an old, worn down speed bump. The only point for those facets to be there is so that people will be able to tell the black hats from the white hats, and to make sure that the black hats end up defeating themselves.
Makes sense to me.

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DarthBandeth
10.02.2012 , 07:59 PM | #9
I'm an Empire player, but I don't prefer their ideological beliefs. I just wanted the cool force powers and uniforms. I like to think of myself as a good person IRL, but why would I want to be something that I am in a video game, when I can experience something different?
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Stenrik
10.02.2012 , 08:06 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBandeth View Post
I'm an Empire player, but I don't prefer their ideological beliefs. I just wanted the cool force powers and uniforms. I like to think of myself as a good person IRL, but why would I want to be something that I am in a video game, when I can experience something different?
Yeah I totally get that. I myself tend to pick whatever faction is the underdog when I start a game. I just like that feeling.
But my OP isn't really targeted at people with your approach to the faction, more for the people who seem to actually prefer the Empire's ideology.