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I've gone through the first three pages - Queuing for WZ/FPs rationale?

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I've gone through the first three pages - Queuing for WZ/FPs rationale?
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10.03.2012 , 01:44 PM | #81
Funny how this thread gets a Dev response...and my thread, that was just like this one...gets ignored and moved.
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iamthehoyden
10.03.2012 , 01:45 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Well this is a little more sophisticated than the "hold the queue til the warzone ends" concept, and I think I like it.

One tweak: Dan should move up in the queue if he is in a warzone and a queue pops for someone else. Otherwise, it still gives incentive to not join warzones and sit idle.

Once Dan gets to #2, if he is still in his warzone and the queue pops, #1 and #3 should get the invite. When Dan gets out of his warzone, he should get a message on his PvP interface that he is next in line in the LFG.
I like the tweak. I haven't run pvp much, but I'm guessing from what you're saying that the pvp queues pop very very quickly, not leaving much time for a person to move through the lfg queue. If that's so, then your suggestion makes a lot of sense.
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10.03.2012 , 01:51 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Well this is a little more sophisticated than the "hold the queue til the warzone ends" concept, and I think I like it.

One tweak: Dan should move up in the queue if he is in a warzone and a queue pops for someone else. Otherwise, it still gives incentive to not join warzones and sit idle.

Once Dan gets to #2, if he is still in his warzone and the queue pops, #1 and #3 should get the invite. When Dan gets out of his warzone, he should get a message on his PvP interface that he is next in line in the LFG.
Perfect solution!!! I gotta admit, there were times the queue has popped for me soooo long after I joined, that I'd forgotten I was even in the queue. This system message would also serves as a handy reminder that I'm in it and should be getting a pop soon, allowing me to leave it and continue doing what I'm doing, or wait for it.
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manchusabre
10.03.2012 , 02:00 PM | #84
You only do the FP once a day usually though. Kind of an odd thing to focus on. I had dropped out of wz to go do FP daily cause finding the group takes a while. I think I've quit more from being tired of losing for the upteenth time today than group finder. Or it being huttball... again. If they made pvp more balanced and not so predictible, it could be fun and people wouldn't think of quitting the wz. PVP is more of a filler from being bored as a 50. After playing for so long, I can pretty much figure how the match will go in the first 30 seconds of the game.

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10.03.2012 , 02:37 PM | #85
Just quoting this. I think it needs to be said on every page of this thread.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
A couple things.

First, to the guy or gal arguing that it wasn't BW's intent to stop stacking queues, I have to ask: in what MMO have you played where stacking queues was an intended playstyle? That's a serious question because in my seven years of playing MMOs, I have yet to see it. No MMOs I have ever played encourages this. In fact, they discourage it by putting in features similar to the one BioWare just did where they put a stop to queuing for multiple things. You trying to say Allison never mentioned this as a problem is engaging in semantics. The fact BW put a stop to queueing for WZs and FPs at the same time means they don't want you to be stacking queues. If they were fine with it, this change would never have been put in to begin with.

Second, for those of you complaining about how long it takes for queues to pop for DPS, I'm going to once again assume you are new to MMOs as this happens in all of them. There's always an overabundance of DPS. So, there are two solutions to this problem. Either roll a tank or healer and have instant queues, or BW implements cross-realm FP queuing. But in reality the only way that you will have guaranteed short queues is to play a support class. That is the easiest fix. And I say this as a DPS class myself, where I, too, am waiting hours for a queue. Is it frustrating? Of course. But I knew when I rolled a sentinel that it would be a consequence.

Someone on here said it best years ago before the game launched. There are really only two classes in every game: LFM and LFG.
Though, after reading some of the replies in this thread, I'm starting to think that with such pleasant, well adjusted folks ... one factor in the long GF wait times could be the many ignore lists you are on.
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anakedcowboy
10.03.2012 , 02:53 PM | #86
I mean, the first bold thing you quoted isn't true, at all. Even the guy who wrote it has backed off the statement somewhat. The community manager extremely explicitly said the change was to reduce people quitting warzones, not because they don't want us to be able to do both PVE and PVP content.

There's no sane game developer that thinks it's a good idea to segregate or fracture a shrinking player base. The fact that there are people who want to participate in both PVE and PVP aspects of the game wholeheartedly is an awesome thumbs up for the game. They patched an inelegant solution to a problem they saw. There appears to be consensus that there are better solutions. We're asking them to consider one of them if they feel the problem is serious enough to warrant action.

I'm not sure why this is super difficult for you.

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Ifolad
10.03.2012 , 03:03 PM | #87
Ok problem solved, Give healers and Tanks a bigger reward for quing for group finder as an incentive to que more often thus giving DPS a shorter wait (in theory). It's your job as a developer to decide what this reward should be. Some possiblities could be A: More cash or in game rewards such as coms. B: Ability to get blackhole coms for every group finder que COMPLETED obviously put a cap on this one at say 3 for a max of 15bh coms earned daily just from group finder hard modes. C: Reward tanks and heals who que for GROUP FINDER DAILY hardmodes better gear than just columi, IE they get a chance to get say a Campaign peice each time at a VERY LOW% roll.

Since there are times that there are plenty of tanks and heals going around, give the game a dynamic that detects how many heals/tanks in relation to dps there are and when that falls below a certain % the reward dynamic would kick in thus allowing people to earn the rewards and would be visible in the que window where you select your group roll as damage heals or tank. This would prevent joe exploiter from running hm's all day and being completely geared out in 5 hours in campaign gear. When free to play comes out give tanks and heals a bigger cartel coin reward or perk. Put other rewards in there too, such as rare items, IE vanity objects such as pets, a color crystal, crazy looking rare orange modable armor that no one else has or very few people have thus promoting individualism in the area of cosmetic appearance, speeders, PVE buffs with low impact on game play yet a small bonus none the less.

It's YOUR job to think this stuff up. On the plus side, you could HIRE someone and create a few JOBS by delegating this out. How cool would that be. (hypothetical) "what's your job?" "Oh, I get to brainstorm all day and think of cool new perks and rewards people get for helping other people complete content" . I'd do this job for 8 dollars an hour and be completely happy with myself. Come on BW i have faith in you, don't blow it.

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Lium
10.03.2012 , 03:07 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by anakedcowboy View Post
I mean, the first bold thing you quoted isn't true, at all. Even the guy who wrote it has backed off the statement somewhat. The community manager extremely explicitly said the change was to reduce people quitting warzones, not because they don't want us to be able to do both PVE and PVP content.

There's no sane game developer that thinks it's a good idea to segregate or fracture a shrinking player base. The fact that there are people who want to participate in both PVE and PVP aspects of the game wholeheartedly is an awesome thumbs up for the game. They patched an inelegant solution to a problem they saw. There appears to be consensus that there are better solutions. We're asking them to consider one of them if they feel the problem is serious enough to warrant action.

I'm not sure why this is super difficult for you.
I just have to say, there's nothing stopping you from doing both PvE and PvP content. You just have to choose which one you want to do at any given time. And I didn't back off my statement somewhat. I just said the method proposed by others in this thread could, in theory, work.

But again, the fact that they don't want people leaving WZs early means they don't people stacking queues. Because the reason people are leaving WZs early is the FP queue pops in the middle of it.

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iamthehoyden
10.03.2012 , 03:16 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
But again, the fact that they don't want people leaving WZs early means they don't people stacking queues. Because the reason people are leaving WZs early is the FP queue pops in the middle of it.
I just don't think we can assume that they don't want us to stack queues because they disabled it. There is obviously a problem with people leaving in the middle of wzs due to a lfg pop (after sitting in lfg queue for 2 hours, it's understandable). They decided to quit allowing stacking because of this. That doesn't necessarily mean that they don't WANT to allow stacking, just that thus far they haven't found a way to do it that doesn't negatively effect wzs.
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Nimithril
10.03.2012 , 09:25 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by anakedcowboy View Post
You're right, people should go out and do their heroic dailies while they wait for the gro-

what's that? You can't group at all while you're in the group finder queue? And it can take *hours* to get a pop for a DPS?
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This is a bit misleading, because if you are even reasonably geared and have reasonable skill, you can solo the majority of the heroic dailies in both factions, or at least enough to occupy yourself for a couple of hours if you run them with a couple or three of the regular mish.

And if you can't solo the 2 and 2+ heroics, Google a lrn2play guide for your class, because you need to get better so you aren't a drag on your group when the LFG does pop.
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