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TFB SM - Not Worth It


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Oggthebase
09.28.2012 , 04:09 AM | #11
you want comms and gear, you go do HM. If you can't, go back to EC HM until you can.
you want the story, do SM.

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anstalt
09.28.2012 , 04:28 AM | #12
My issue is now the big gap in difficulty between the story modes and the hardmodes.

Before, you had EV and KP which were both extremely forgiving raids and had nice difficulty progression but were pretty faceroll once you reached rakata level gear.

From there, you progressed on to EC Story which forced everyone in the raid to become better at executing mechanics and better at playing their class due to enrage timers / damage taken etc. It was a natural learning curve which led on to EC HM which required even better co-ordination and class skill.

however, now that they've nerfed EC SM and TFB SM also appears to be too easy, I can't see how people will progress from the faceroll easy story modes on to the much more difficult hardmodes. The top raiders will be fine (my guild also had EC HM on farm) but the average and casual raiders simply dont stand a chance. The same happened during the Mirkwood expansion of LOTRO and the consequence was many guilds disbanding because the average and casual raiders couldn't make the massive leap in difficulty between raids so they just stopped raiding.

In short, there needs to be a smooth difficulty curve in raiding. If there isn't and the raids become too difficult too quickly then all you will do is segregate the community and turn raiding in to an exclusive / elite activity. That is not the way to go and can never work in this game.
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AshlaBoga
09.28.2012 , 04:33 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by KEKHAN View Post
Nah, Prophecy of the Five server. We're not allowed to name and shame here unfortunately
How about giving us a fair warning?

I'd appreciate if you posted the guild so I never make mistake of pugging with them and having my time wasted.
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Llama-Eight
09.28.2012 , 06:03 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by anstalt View Post
however, now that they've nerfed EC SM and TFB SM also appears to be too easy, I can't see how people will progress from the faceroll easy story modes on to the much more difficult hardmodes. The top raiders will be fine (my guild also had EC HM on farm) but the average and casual raiders simply dont stand a chance.
As someone else has said, I think the confusion stems from the change in tack, before, you progressed from KP/EV SM to KP/EV HM to EC SM to EC HM, now with the new raid "hardcore" raiders should be progressing from EC HM to TFB HM, not TFB SM.

I don't think it's necessarily bad that casual raiders have difficulty with HM Ops given the requirements of knowing your class very well, raid awareness, co-ordination & being able to execute the required mechanics. If Bioware were consistent with their Ops difficulties (possibly by going back & "re-tuning" EV/KP), people would know what to expect & wouldn't react like the OP (though I understand why he did).

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Anysao
09.28.2012 , 06:30 AM | #15
Heaven forbid someone play a game just for fun.

Ha ha, had to say it. Anyways, of course I'd like it to be a bit more difficult, (but still PUGable) maybe one piece of black hole per boss? My PUG (with teamspeak, good gear, etc.) managed to get to the puzzle before it got to late at night to go on.
Overall, the operation is fun and difficult. I approve.

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Nipanther
09.28.2012 , 07:10 AM | #16
The gear may not be that great for SM but man the cash is nice. Just might think about farming the trash instead of dailies. I thought the SM version was nice bc you get to see the mechanics first hand and get to know a little first person look before you attempt hardmode. Our guild one shot the first three bosses so taking undergeared people here for some Rakata runs will be nice. I would like to say thank you BW for the new content. Lets keep pumping out new stuff like this so people keep playing.
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ChuangTzu
09.28.2012 , 08:29 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
Where you go wrong is in assuming that you're supposed to progress from HM Denova to SM TfB.

You're supposed to progress from HM Denova to HM TfB.

SM is for people who mainly want to see the place and experience the story, hence the name Story Mode.

I can understand your way of thinking, since the last tier was like that. You really DID progress from KP/EV NMM to SM Denova, which got a lot of people confused.

I think the new system where story mode is actually story mode is better, now we just need an actual Nightmare Mode.
Yes ur right, it is not HM EC --> SM TFB but there is no progression from SM EC --> SM TFB. And now there are no BH comms either!
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KarethRiker
09.28.2012 , 10:07 AM | #18
I think the real problem is that doing EC HM in Rakata is hard. Is it doable yes, but by not having a little bit of the BH gear it will be hard for many guilds to progress from TFB SM to EC HM.

We did it in Rakata, but we had optimized our Rakata stats which I think many of the less hardcore guilds think about doing. Now that's fine, it is hard mode so should be somewhat difficult, but it does cause frustration and make some of the content inaccessible.

A token or even reduced amount of BHs would help with the progression since as it stands now you're better off running EV SM through group finder than TFB SM.
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mikebevo
09.28.2012 , 10:20 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by KEKHAN View Post
the only piece I needed was the Rakata headpiece, but the group leader switched to master loot 3/4 of the way through and give it to his guildmate without a /roll who had a Blackhole headpiece already, that guy then turns around and offers it to me for 200k since these items are now 'tradable'.... (I was in Columi))
Stuff like this make me so glad I roll with the groups I do. Other night in a pretty much thrown together group for HM EC. Offhand dropped on the tanks. I picked up my comms and was headed for the next section. We are doing Suicide Kings and my name was at the bottom of the list. Everyone passed, without me saying a word until it got to me because they knew that was the only thing I needed. Only 3 or 4 were from my guild and a few this was there first time in HM EC, so I know they needed the gear.

I am a healer, so perhaps they just wanted to keep me happy and healing, but I am very thankful for falling in with the group I did.

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ArchangelLBC
09.28.2012 , 05:04 PM | #20
I feel there is some concern gearwise. SM EC dropped Rakata AND BH comms so you could still "gear up" for HM EC, and essentially chew through the content on both difficulties for people who aren't the "hardcore" raiders who had it cleared on 16 man HM soon after release.

If next SM op isn't tuned for people in rakata and dropping campaign then either story mode ops are going to become completely trivial for everyone or undoable for any casuals.

Being able to gear up in BiS gear just from SM EC for certain classes was kinda lame, even when I benefited from it, but feeling like there's no reason at all to do SM TFB is a little disheartening. Just some comms wouldn't be unappreciated.
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