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no more black hole comms in story EC?

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Larry_Dallas
09.27.2012 , 11:05 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by demonssword View Post
Yes, its more than enough. We have run Columi equiped full groups of alts fresh from hardmode flashpoint runs in and walked out fine.
The stat value between columi / rakata isnt a massive DPS or HPS or Aviodence / Hp / Mitigation and its not much higher going Rakata to BH/Campaign. I think when running mox dps parser i went from about 1300ish in non optimised gear without being fully augmented -> 1600ish in optimised gear with augments.
I call BS on this. HMEC is not a test dummy. 1300 DPS is pretty good against HM EC bosses in optimized campaign. In columi, it's probably impossible. In unaugged columi it's most-definitely impossible.

For example, 4 people ever have cleared Z&T with 1600 DPS and uploaded logs to AMR
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog

No person has ever done so with Vorgath.
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog

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Elear
09.27.2012 , 11:16 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Want better gear? Then up your play and do what the Elitists do and run hard mode operations. If it's about content, you have it. If it's about gear, then work for it.
Or, you know, do one random HM FP per day, or go visit EV/KP SM trough group finder, you know, things elitists do.

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Lostpenguins
09.27.2012 , 11:27 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Bleeters View Post
Considering that everybody can continue to just spam hardmode flashpoints every day for 5 black hole commendations a time, let's not pretend this is a change designed to restrict better quality gear to those who run the top tiers of ops on hardmode or similar nonsense. It does nothing of the kind. All this does is slow down the rate at which you obtain commendations. That's it.

It's a fairly transparent means of dragging out the replay time of the newer content. Nothing more.
You still get BH comms for doing Operation Finder and for the new ones in completing the last boss. And, yeah, you can still do the daily HM FP's so you're correct this is slowing you down, but super-easy story-modes giving 30 (22 for operation + 8 for weekly completion) BH Comms for 1.5 hours of work in SM EC that was nerfed to make it super-easy is a lot less time involved than running HM FP's daily.

Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
Or, you know, do one random HM FP per day, or go visit EV/KP SM trough group finder, you know, things elitists do.
Yes, they are still giving incentive for doing daily HM FP's. They are still giving casuals access to end-game gear by not doing what raiders consider to be end-game content. However, SC EC is no longer considered end-game content as it was super-nerfed so I'm glad that they removed BH Comms from it. Making it more accessible to casuals to see the story-line and experience the content w/out giving them the same rewards is a step in the right direction.

If I had it my way BH comms would only drop from HM EC and HM TFB, but they're giving casuals some incentive for doing daily quests, and I'll settle for that. It just sounds like people who relied on SM EC for BH comms as a main source need to also settle as well.

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DarthSylar
09.27.2012 , 01:55 PM | #44
I think I want to run EC HM, but have never done it before and am an Deception Assassin. Right now my gear is

Tionese/Columi
Main Hand hilt (color crystal, Mod and Enhancement are Columi)+22 resolve augment
Columi
Gloves+22 resolve augment
Boots
Belt
Rakata
Off hand
Implant
x2 Motivators
Bracers
Black Hole
Chest+22 resolve augment
Helm+22 resolve augment
Pants+22 resolve augment

Main Stat is 1641 buffed with no stim
Endurance is like 1800 maybe, don't know off the top of my head, but it's 19.5k hp unbuffed
crit is 32% unbuffed
surge is 73%
and power is 129 (i know i need more)

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PugLife
09.27.2012 , 05:01 PM | #45
If these changes were intentional I can understand the lack of BH coms in SM EC, it has been heavily nerfed. However, what I don't understand is why we are losing multiple ways to grind out BH coms while at the same time we are being displayed items to strive for which have 350~ com price tags. NiM KP/EV have not been modified, yet according to several people on the forums they no longer drop coms. Not to be vain but this seems like a giant gimmick to keep subscribers.
decrease potential black hole com income
increase requirements
???

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dscount
09.27.2012 , 05:07 PM | #46
Please PUT BACK the BLACK HOLE COMM's. Nerf them to BOSSES if you must, but don't remove the only reason some geared folks run SM (That and gearing one of the guild members). I've geared my toon, but don't have any reasons to run SM for EC or TFB now with just Rakata dropping (Maybe the credits in TFB).

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Basil_Evenstar
09.27.2012 , 05:36 PM | #47
Black Hole commendations are WAY too plentiful in the game as it is. As EC SM and TFB SM are intended for Columi wearing players to get Rakata gear, they should NOT be giving Black Hole commendations. Players should not be able to run easy content over and over to load up on Black Hole gear. There are many other ways to get these commendations as it is.

KP NM, on the other hand, could be argued that it should still contain Black Hole commendations as it is a higher difficulty raid, one you typically already have full Rakata for. The commendations are one of the only reasons to run a NM other than the title achievement. If these are restored to KP NM (which they probably should be) then they should also be added to EV NM for the same reasoning.

EDIT: For those claiming the new implants are too expensive, they are expensive for a reason. They are for the players for have grinded through the hard content, not meant for players running SMs and FPs all the time to get the best implant in the game easily.

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moonshoter
09.27.2012 , 09:59 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by yoshua View Post
not just EC

TFB gives no BH comms in story mode. We didnt kill the last boss, but the one chest we found and all of the bosses before? no comms.

however, mini bosses dropped like 18k PER PLAYER in creds, and each group of trash mobs dropped 2-5k per player so repair costs are covered.

I think this is intentional for all story mode content. get rakata and start running the hard modes. Hard mode EC got nerfed to hell with this patch too so it will be much more accessible in pure Rakata gear now.

I Don't see were HM EC got nerfed my guild run it today and its the same . ")

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moonshoter
09.27.2012 , 10:02 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Brissellio View Post
So why exactly do you need BH comms if you are running story mode? If you have rakata gear. Jump into hard mode, get yourself some blackhole comms and campaign gear.

If you do not do the hard content why do you need the best gear?
For the modes to RE etc i could go n how much value the comms have .

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schnopsnosn
09.27.2012 , 10:25 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by moonshoter View Post
I Don't see were HM EC got nerfed my guild run it today and its the same . ")
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