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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns

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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns
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Mikla
03.28.2013 , 06:53 PM | #4591
I still remember what Bioware said when Ocenia and others in red zone regions were given reasons for being excluded from launch. No 1. reason - quality of game play experience could not be guaranteed and so we had to wait for them to launch the APAC servers before the game officially launched in Ocenia. The ping time and latency to US servers is exactly the same as it was at game launch. What makes anyone think the sittuation will be better this time around. I suffered through the first 5 months of the game being gimped in PvP and Boss fights that were unplayable due to ping times of 300ms+.

Bioware had warned the game play experience on NA servers would be sub optimal for those outside the region and they were correct. Having a healthy populated server did not not improve the game play . Forced migration to NA servers now will likewise not improve your game play.

Since it's launch The Dalborra server has had an adeqaute population and in peak periods I've had acceptable queue times for both level 50 and pre level 50 PvP. Would I like to see that population larger ? Of course, but not at the expense of game playability. Who cares if you can get into a WZ in 30 secs if you are gimped by lag. What's the point of burdening an ops group because you can't see effects and insta kill inductions until after you are dead, or where your heals don't fire because the target is blocked, out of range or dead all because of lag?

I and my fellow aussies had to drop group on many occassions in guild ops because our group could not beat enrage timers, due to our gimped dps or deaths due to lag. The NA server merge is not a solution. We started there and it didn't work.

All APAC players would benefit from a population increase resulting from a merger into a super APAC server unlike the proposed NA merger which will result in an unplayable game for many and highly degraded one for most everyone else. I see very few winners with the Bioware plan. Please rethink this. At least try an APAC super server before taking the radical misstep of a NA server merge.

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Eskymojo
03.28.2013 , 07:03 PM | #4592
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikla View Post
I still remember what Bioware said when Ocenia and others in red zone regions were given reasons for being excluded from launch. No 1. reason - quality of game play experience could not be guaranteed and so we had to wait for them to launch the APAC servers before the game officially launched in Ocenia. The ping time and latency to US servers is exactly the same as it was at game launch. What makes anyone think the sittuation will be better this time around. I suffered through the first 5 months of the game being gimped in PvP and Boss fights that were unplayable due to ping times of 300ms+.

Bioware had warned the game play experience on NA servers would be sub optimal for those outside the region and they were correct. Having a healthy populated server did not not improve the game play . Forced migration to NA servers now will likewise not improve your game play.

Since it's launch The Dalborra server has had an adeqaute population and in peak periods I've had acceptable queue times for both level 50 and pre level 50 PvP. Would I like to see that population larger ? Of course, but not at the expense of game playability. Who cares if you can get into a WZ in 30 secs if you are gimped by lag. What's the point of burdening an ops group because you can't see effects and insta kill inductions until after you are dead, or where your heals don't fire because the target is blocked, out of range or dead all because of lag?

I and my fellow aussies had to drop group on many occassions in guild ops because our group could not beat enrage timers, due to our gimped dps or deaths due to lag. The NA server merge is not a solution. We started there and it didn't work.

All APAC players would benefit from a population increase resulting from a merger into a super APAC server unlike the proposed NA merger which will result in an unplayable game for many and highly degraded one for most everyone else. I see very few winners with the Bioware plan. Please rethink this. At least try an APAC super server before taking the radical misstep of a NA server merge.

Great summary Mikla!!!!

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ZarthMan
03.28.2013 , 07:10 PM | #4593
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I wanted to give an update on some things and answer some questions we have seen in the thread. First, one of the things we have seen multiple people suggest is that if we are going to merge the APAC servers into the NA West servers that we should give you the option to choose which NA West server you transfer to. Knowing that some APAC players have existing characters and Legacies on some NA West servers already, we agree. When we open free transfers we will allow you one time transfer from your current APAC server to any one of the NA West servers. Note: The actual server merges themselves will still happen based on server type, so once we open transfers make sure you move all of your characters to the server you want before the merge happens.

We have also seen some concerns that we “haven’t considered what NA West’s populations are at offpeak times.” Actually, this is part of the reason we are making the decision to move APAC into NA West. Currently the equivalent NA West servers are seeing higher populations at offpeak times than their APAC counterparts. Meaning that even during offpeak NA times, the APAC players should see an increase in population after the transfers/merges.

-eric



Hi Eric.

I would like to clarify if you currently mean we can transfer to a different server type ie. PvP to PvE as your wording can be interpreted differently.

If not consider my reasoning below.

Allowing transfer to a different server type would go a long way to making sure the Australian population survives. I know several guilds from Master Dar'Nala are more interested in joined our PvE brethren on the Harbinger. Many of the prominent guilds are in favor of as I am sure their are players from Gav Daragon and Dalborra who would either like change to PvP, PvE or RP as they may already have other characters waiting on those servers.

You can the support in favor for this action from Master Dar'Nala at this thread.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=616525

Our main concern now is that you will now dilute our population even more. I know you are probably worried about the server stability if we all transfer to the same server. However many accounts which are currently active have cancelled their subs which further reduces the population shift and as you have stated yourself during peak times the Aussie servers even if they were all consolidated onto one server would not have reached the same population as the American servers during off peak. Also from what I can understand these servers can take roughly 3 times their current offpeak load before coming unstable.

Please keep us up to date, Please consider this as a viable option and if not state the actual reasons this would not be viable. As I see it small changes like this would not impact what you are trying to achieve and would go a long way to help smooth troubled waters.

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Andryah
03.28.2013 , 07:12 PM | #4594
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikla View Post
I and my fellow aussies had to drop group on many occassions in guild ops because our group could not beat enrage timers, due to our gimped dps or deaths due to lag. The NA server merge is not a solution. We started there and it didn't work.
You do know that a lot of Aussies play on NA servers today, and have for some time now.

Here's the interesting part for me as I have followed this thread..... Aussies are generally known to be good natured, resilient and pretty much fearless in the face of adversity. At least that is the way many people outside of Australia perceive you as a culture.

Yet the general tone of this thread has been often (and particularly since Bioware announced a decision) filled with people portraying uncertainty and doubt, displaying rage and hate, and generally playing a victim role. It's incongruant with the general perception of the Aussie people, so I personally tend to think that such outbursts are atypical of the Aussie playerbase, especially when I run across so many in game on NA-West servers, enjoying themselves and playing the game.

/2-cents.
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AlexeyIRK
03.28.2013 , 07:18 PM | #4595
+1 Chippy and Mikla! Paying subscribers vote contra EA plans.

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Ren_simp
03.28.2013 , 07:19 PM | #4596
Zarth hope this helps cut and highlight from Eric's response you quoted When we open free transfers we will allow you one time transfer from your current APAC server to any one of the NA West servers. Note: The actual server merges themselves will still happen based on server type, so once we open transfers make sure you move all of your characters to the server you want before the merge happens.
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Nommaz
03.28.2013 , 07:26 PM | #4597
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You do know that a lot of Aussies play on NA servers today, and have for some time now.

Here's the interesting part for me as I have followed this thread..... Aussies are generally known to be good natured, resilient and pretty much fearless in the face of adversity. At least that is the way many people outside of Australia perceive you as a culture.

Yet the general tone of this thread has been often (and particularly since Bioware announced a decision) filled with people portraying uncertainty and doubt, displaying rage and hate, and generally playing a victim role. It's incongruant with the general perception of the Aussie people, so I personally tend to think that such outbursts are atypical of the Aussie playerbase, especially when I run across so many in game on NA-West servers, enjoying themselves and playing the game.

/2-cents.
What you see here is not uncertainty and doubt, it is anger and disbelief.
Anger that we are/had been lied to.
Disbelief that a company would tell a whole player base they are unimportant now.
Rage and hate go along with the above and we are victims not playing it....

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ZarthMan
03.28.2013 , 07:30 PM | #4598
Quote: Originally Posted by Ren_simp View Post
Zarth hope this helps cut and highlight from Eric's response you quoted When we open free transfers we will allow you one time transfer from your current APAC server to any one of the NA West servers. Note: The actual server merges themselves will still happen based on server type, so once we open transfers make sure you move all of your characters to the server you want before the merge happens.
Yes thank you EOL.
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Nommaz
03.28.2013 , 07:31 PM | #4599
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
I doubt it BW will use the same metric they used for the second merge for super servers. First, you guys are given a choice of server to transfer into and second NA players have already been through two mergers. Now I do agree that APAC players should get access to names from players who don't play any more, but I doubt it any current player on the west cost server will lose their names simply due to the fact that those players have already gone through two mergers. This will be the third time for those players. Most likely the transfers will be like they were the first wave of NA server mergers. Finally, the second wave of mergers were not like the first mergers. The super servers were new servers with much higher capacity, but were given previous server names. Thus, we all transferred to a new server.

Currently, you apac players are transferring to an existing populated server like what happen during the first major wave of merging or transfer for NA and European servers. The second merger for NA and European were transfers to new super severs with the same name of the old normal servers and they further consolidated servers. The situation is exactly the same as it was the first time NA and European were transferred during the first wave. Plus, their is a higher probability that an aussie player will quit than their NA counterpart. Thus, I don't believe BW will want to upset their main clientele with these third wave of transfers.

If you are American, or indeed playing on a NA server, and don't think it will have an effect on you, then why do you feel the need to come in here and inflame already pissed off people?

And FYI I have already been through a merger on the server that my NA characters are on, I am sure there is many people like myself out there, don't be so smug in your assumptions.

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Ren_simp
03.28.2013 , 07:31 PM | #4600
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You do know that a lot of Aussies play on NA servers today, and have for some time now.

Here's the interesting part for me as I have followed this thread..... Aussies are generally known to be good natured, resilient and pretty much fearless in the face of adversity. At least that is the way many people outside of Australia perceive you as a culture.

Yet the general tone of this thread has been often (and particularly since Bioware announced a decision) filled with people portraying uncertainty and doubt, displaying rage and hate, and generally playing a victim role. It's incongruant with the general perception of the Aussie people, so I personally tend to think that such outbursts are atypical of the Aussie playerbase, especially when I run across so many in game on NA-West servers, enjoying themselves and playing the game.

/2-cents.
Andryah

You Come across as extremely annoying, the Apac community will sort it self out within the options provided by bioware,