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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns

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Consolidated Post: APAC/Oceanic Server Concerns
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Durallan
03.27.2013 , 02:25 AM | #4091
We won't be missing your smugness either Jack. and why bother convincing people to play a game they no longer want to if the server isn't near them, you might as well try recruiting more americans to your servers because then you'll have even more people to play with during your playtimes, you really make no sense at all, but then again EA doesn't either, and I can tell you that the 2 or 3 people who already agree with you in this thread, are the only ones you've convinced because I was on the fence until I was reading your tripe, I can see that I will have zero interest in continuing SWTOR once the servers merge if this is the sort of attitude I'll be coming across. Enjoy SWTOR while it lasts~

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Ulantees
03.27.2013 , 02:25 AM | #4092
What so many of you Bioware Fanboys don't seem to comprehend, is that even for your extra 100ms latency, you're not getting any more people to play with. All 3 of the servers are destined for separate destinations. Almost none of the US players will be online to play with during AUS primetime, so you just end up with the same skeleton crew on a crappier service. This is so freaking woeful Bioware, way to parade the hero while acting the villain.

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iheartnyc
03.27.2013 , 02:28 AM | #4093
Quote: Originally Posted by WizardsDestiny View Post
Really?

Typically one would think that 'ping' which results in lag eventually would actually end up seriously affecting gameplay experience, rendering a 'healthy populated server' useless; we can't 'play' on it with lag from across the world.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. What you should have said is:

"Ping" that can be as low as a mild 0.10 second additional delay, that "may" affect your gameplay experience to a "variable" degree which depends entirely on what part of APAC you live, which "may" render the server useless for "certain" players.

Some will be seriously affected. Others will not be able to tell the difference.

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iheartnyc
03.27.2013 , 02:30 AM | #4094
Quote: Originally Posted by Ulantees View Post
What so many of you Bioware Fanboys don't seem to comprehend, is that even for your extra 100ms latency, you're not getting any more people to play with. All 3 of the servers are destined for separate destinations. Almost none of the US players will be online to play with during AUS primetime, so you just end up with the same skeleton crew on a crappier service. This is so freaking woeful Bioware, way to parade the hero while acting the villain.
This is not correct.

MDN players are going to the Bastion. The Bastion has significantly more people on at any given time that MDN and it has been that way for months. At MDN, if you're on at off-peak, you may see 5 people on fleet. There is no such "off-peak" time for the Bastion. Even at its lowest, you have about 70 on fleet, and that only lasts for about an hour.

Now that's just an apples to apples comparison. If you had a merged APAC server, of course the merged may have offered better population at peak time but we will never know.

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Mowermanx
03.27.2013 , 02:31 AM | #4095
Quote: Originally Posted by elitenz View Post
I still don't understand why they never set up an official forum poll that would show a true outcome.
That's easy, because they never intended to do anything that was suggested, just throwing the noisy bunch a bone till the bean counters got all the info they needed after F2P to see if the servers were financially successful enough to keep around. Hardly rocket science.
I always maintained they would never merge the severs and have said so a couple of times in this thread months ago, but selfish people shouted down my suggestion of allowing everyone to transfer to where ever they wanted to go, saying people will leave apac servers for the US or EU.
Go back and read the entire thread up to where they announced the closures. Dozens upon dozens of posts saying we shouldn't allow transfers because people will abandon the apac servers. Really flies in the face of the ramblings since the closure announcement don't you think?

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Durallan
03.27.2013 , 02:33 AM | #4096
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
This is exactly what I'm talking about. What you should have said is:

"Ping" that can be as low as a mild 0.10 second additional delay, that "may" affect your gameplay experience to a "variable" degree which depends entirely on what part of APAC you live, which "may" render the server useless for "certain" players.

Some will be seriously affected. Others will not be able to tell the difference.
Wow EA should hire you. You're the perfect spokesperson to make excuses for the company, I mean well if some people will have problems when they shift over to NA servers thats their problem rite? I mean they only paid for the game and subscribed, what the **** does anyone care what happens to them? CAPITALISM BABY!

these sorts of excuses might be allowed in America where people aren't apparently allowed for class lawsuits or whatever but I'm pretty certain when you pay money for something here you're meant to get a service, and if you don't get that service you have a right to refund or replacement

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Mikla
03.27.2013 , 02:34 AM | #4097
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
This is exactly what I'm talking about. What you should have said is:

"Ping" that can be as low as a mild 0.10 second additional delay, that "may" affect your gameplay experience to a "variable" degree which depends entirely on what part of APAC you live, which "may" render the server useless for "certain" players.

Some will be seriously affected. Others will not be able to tell the difference.
I think it is more accurate to say that most will be seriously affected and those who don't do flash points, operations or PvP will not be able to tell the difference.

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Icykill_
03.27.2013 , 02:34 AM | #4098
PETITION JUST HIT 411

KEEP THE FAITH... AND HOPEFULLY A MERGED APAC SERVER... SIGN THE PETITION AT THE BELOW LINK

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...em-into-1.html

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iheartnyc
03.27.2013 , 02:38 AM | #4099
Quote: Originally Posted by Durallan View Post
Wow EA should hire you. You're the perfect spokesperson to make excuses for the company, I mean well if some people will have problems when they shift over to NA servers thats their problem rite? I mean they only paid for the game and subscribed, what the **** does anyone care what happens to them? CAPITALISM BABY!
Don't need to get defensive here. I'm just stating the reality, and for some, it sucks and I feel for you. But what are we going to do about it? 400+ pages, 8 months, and here we are. Creating another thread isn't going to change anything. The numbers are smaller on APAC than ever before to begin with.

Listen, if the game is unplayable for you, demand a refund, write a letter, never buy an EA product again and move onto something better for you. If you're on the fence, check out the US server for a few hours doing WZs, see if you can hang, and make the decision. I'm not sure what's so unreasonable about my approach.

Just need to be careful to to inflect and psychological bias about "lag" into this decision making process.

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DaftVaduhhh
03.27.2013 , 02:38 AM | #4100
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
Will do as soon as people stop spreading misinformation about ping in an effort to get others to quit the game. And from the sounds of it, the angry ones already unsubbed.

My message regarding "playability" is directed at those on the fence who are debating whether it's worth a shot. They've stuck it out this long, they at least deserve to have all the facts (and not just angry sentiment) in making a decision that will impact how they might spend another couple hundred hours of their lives. And if you're against that, then how is this "fair" to the community.

And if my posts convince at least 1 person to give US servers a shot, and they end up enjoying the game for many more months after today, then my mission is accomplished.
So far you've been the least wrong of all the responses regarding ping.

It varies from environment to situation. Reacting to other players (which is most of the PvP combat), the issue is more like so:

Assuming a 30 ms ping for the US player and a 200 ms ping for the AU player and one-way trip time of half the ping and negligible processing time:

US player attacks, you receive this info: (0.03/2) + (0.2/2) = 0.115
You respond to attack = 0.1

Thus to interrupt a cast, it takes 0.115 seconds to receive the cast information, then add reaction time, followed by a 0.1 second delay. So for reflex moves, you're actually behind your stated ping time to the tune of half the opponents ping time.

What complicates the situation is the net code, which seems to have some quirks about how GCDs are triggered client side and server side, which may add further delays to the next cast.
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