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An in-depth look at: Order 66


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Aurbere
09.18.2012 , 06:33 PM | #1
I'm sure many of you remember my previous thread titled An in-depth look at: Revan, and I decided to turn it into the beginning of a series of threads. This thread series is meant to shed some light on certain events, people etc. I will be providing a look at certain topics using my personal opinion as well as canon facts.

So this thread's topic is Order 66.

There have been some misconceptions brought about by Order 66, specifically the strength of the Jedi Order. I will attempt to shed some light on these misconceptions as well as provide some background on this event for those who may not know what exactly was going on.

Order 66 officially started with an attack on the Jedi Temple led by Darth Vader. After the death of Mace Windu, Darth Sidious sent Darth Vader, as well as the 501st legion, to destroy the Jedi Temple. The attack caught the Jedi Order off guard. The Temple had only a few Jedi Masters guarding it. These masters, while powerful in their own right, were no match for Darth Vader and his Clone Legion. Directing the Jedi Temple's defense were Jedi Masters Cin Drallig and Shaak Ti, who were Darth Vaders biggest threats in the Temple. Faced with overwhelming odds, Shaak Ti fled the Temple in hopes that she could keep the Jedi Order alive. Cin Drallig was not so lucky. With these two masters out of the picture, the Temple fell quickly. This was only the first part of Order 66.

The second part does the most damage to the Order. The Order's most powerful masters were leading the final charge against the Seperatist forces. Leading their Clone Troops into battle, the Jedi were caught flat-footed when their soldiers turned against them. The first Clone Commander to receive the Order was Clone Commander Cody. Cody served as Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi's second in command. Years of fighting with the Jedi Master had no effect on his duty to follow orders. His soldiers fired on General Kenobi, sending the venerable master plummeting to the depths of one of Utapau's many pits. Commander Cody then sends the message to Clone Commanders across the galaxy. From Boz Pity to Cato Nemoidia, Clones fired on their Jedi leaders with only a few escaping the massacre. Within days, the Jedi Order had been destroyed. Order 66 officially ends when Chancellor Palpatine turns the Galactic Republic into an Empire. However, Order 66 unofficially continues under the direction of Darth Vader. The unofficial end of Order 66 comes from the death of Jedi Master Yoda on Dagobah.

So now that the actual event has been described, we should probably discuss what Order 66 actually is. Order 66 is a program* in the clones that, when ordered of them, tells them that their Jedi leaders have betrayed the Republic. It is in no way malicious, at least for the Kaminoans. The clones are even programmed to take out the Chancellor should he betray the Republic. The malice behind Order 66 is on Sidious and Dooku. They were behind the whole cloning process. And Sidious' plan was executed flawlessly. The order destroyed the Jedi Order, just as he planned.

I apologize for my ramblings, but there is one misconception that I would like to answer. The events of Order 66 have caused some "confusion" amongst Star Wars fans. Specifically that the PT Order is weak. The logic behind this is understandable, but for those who look deeper on the subject will understand why this is not true. Sidious' plan was perfect. If any Jedi had survived order 66 most of them wouldn't be able to beat Vader in battle, and those that could would be no match for Sidious himself. What proves that the PT Order is greater than any before is the fact that two of it's masters went blow for blow with the most powerful Sith to ever exist.

Anyway. I should stop now. Please discuss. If you have any ideas for future threads in this series, feel free to PM me.

*Now when I said 'program', I meant it. The clones are very similar to droids in the fact that they are preprogrammed with certain top-secret orders.
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YoshiRaphElan
09.18.2012 , 08:33 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
*Now when I said 'program', I meant it. The clones are very similar to droids in the fact that they are preprogrammed with certain top-secret orders.
Incorrect. They are trained to follow without question a list of 150 contingency orders. But they are not programmed.

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Aurbere
09.18.2012 , 08:48 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by YoshiRaphElan View Post
Incorrect. They are trained to follow without question a list of 150 contingency orders. But they are not programmed.
Yes they were trained to prepare for certain scenarios, but these Orders were "programmed" into them. The Kaminoans tampered with the cloning process and I believe they programmed specific contingency orders into the clones for certain situations. Not with malice or anything like that, but because they were told to do so by their client. Who turned out to be Darth Sidious.

I may have mispoke when I said programmed like they were droids, but I know that these implanted Orders were Sidious' doing, as was the whole cloning process to begin with.

I should note that I did not do any research on this, or any future, subject. Everything above is my knowledge of the lore and SW canon.
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09.18.2012 , 09:33 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Yes they were trained to prepare for certain scenarios, but these Orders were "programmed" into them. The Kaminoans tampered with the cloning process and I believe they programmed specific contingency orders into the clones for certain situations. Not with malice or anything like that, but because they were told to do so by their client. Who turned out to be Darth Sidious.

I may have mispoke when I said programmed like they were droids, but I know that these implanted Orders were Sidious' doing, as was the whole cloning process to begin with.

I should note that I did not do any research on this, or any future, subject. Everything above is my knowledge of the lore and SW canon.
Have any ideas, for the next thread?
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09.18.2012 , 09:36 PM | #5
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Have any ideas, for the next thread?
I was thinking about taking a look at Sidious' master plan. He had orchestrated everything and I think it would be an interesting topic to look at. I was also thinking about doing one on the Lightsaber forms, as well.

I'll probably wait a week or two so as not to spam the forums and give this one time to grow.
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09.18.2012 , 09:38 PM | #6
well "programmed" is kind of correct... as a marine I can tell you most soldiers are trained not to "think" during combat because thinking takes time which you generally don't have to spare... it's one of the reason we drill the same actions over and over until you can do them basically on automatic and through muscle memory... it's not exactly being programmed or brainwashed but the effect is close
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JettrikRyflix
09.18.2012 , 10:31 PM | #7
I would not say that Palpatine's plan was perfect.

1. There is no way Palpatine could have ensured that every Jedi was surrounded by a group of clones at the exact moment that Anakin and the Jedi would discover his true intentions.

2. The clones were well trained, but not all squads would be successful in taking out a Jedi, or possibly multiple Jedi. Not all Jedi would be as oblivious as, say, Aayla Secura.

3. The distress signal should not fool every Jedi. Would the remaining Jedi not feel the echoes of the deaths of their fellow Jedi? Jedi can feel these kinds of things all the time, in games, books, and even the movies.

4. Obi-Wan could have finished Anakin off - he bested him after all. Even with Anakin's survival, his robotic state severely weakens the final stage of Order 66.

5. Yoda could have beaten Palpatine himself. If their positions in the senate pod were reversed, it would have been Palpatine falling to defeat instead of Yoda.

In conclusion, I think that Palpatine was lucky to eliminate as many Jedi as he did. I also think that the more Jedi survive Order 66, the more realistic it becomes. Jedi outmatch clones any day of the week, surprised or not.

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ObiWanBaikonur
09.19.2012 , 02:32 AM | #8
I think it's perfect in that there is no better way to eliminate the Jedi Order. It wasn't executed perfectly (See Obi-Wan Slap-chopping Anakin), but give the sheer numbers of Jedi and their ubiquity throughout the front, you can't ask for much better than Order 66.

Yeah, a bunch of Jedi survived and Vader was considerably weakened, but the Jedi were branded as traitors, discredited, and murdered en masse. Any survivors couldn't possibly come back from that. Even if a band of Jedi (say, Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Shaak Ti) had led a contrecoup, how would the Senate and the public have received them after their "betrayal"? What could they do? Say, "No, no! He was evil and lied to you. Trust us, we only murdered the Chancellor-***-Emperor to restore justice in the name of the Force." It was too late; they were too few and too reviled.
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09.19.2012 , 08:00 AM | #9
It actually makes sense that Palpatine would contact Cody personally first because he is a Clone Marshal Commander which is the highest rank a clone can achieve in the GAR. [Wookieepedia Source] Along with Neyo, Bly and Bacara. All of which we see execute Order 66. It's possible Palpatine only appeared to the Clone Marshals and other commanders had them relay the order through the ranks instead of appearing to all of the clones.
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09.19.2012 , 08:46 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by JettrikRyflix View Post
3. The distress signal should not fool every Jedi. Would the remaining Jedi not feel the echoes of the deaths of their fellow Jedi? Jedi can feel these kinds of things all the time, in games, books, and even the movies.
Wrong, Darth Sidious had clouded their vision and greatly diminished the pwoer of the light Side itself, because he had unbalanced the force with the Dark Side dominating.

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. Yoda could have beaten Palpatine himself. If their positions in the senate pod were reversed, it would have been Palpatine falling to defeat instead of Yoda.
No he couldn't, read the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Yoda just didn't have it, he could not beat Sidious, who wasn't even really taking the fight seriously, Yoda couldn't beat him and he knew why, the Jedi order had spent the last thousand years preparing to fight the last war, the Sith spent that time evolving and adapting to a new type of warfare based around deception, not outright confrontation, they spent a thousand years becoming more and more powerful until the Sith had stacked the force itself against them.

The Jedi Order didn't stand a chance once Padme had used the vote of no confidence for Supreme Chancellor Valorum, once she had done that, the galaxy was doomed, 'Palpatine' immediately removed any opposition and manufactured everything that happened afterwards, he couldn't be beaten in office and he couldn't be killed by any of the Jedi Order members, the Sith won the war the Jedi were preparing for the moment Darth Bane tricked Kaan into using the Thought Bomb and implemented the Order of the Sith Lords that religiously 'followed' the Rule of Two.

The only flaws in the Sith plan was the Rule of Two itself, what stops either of the Sith cheating, like Vader and many others attempted? what if the Master dies inexplicably? and more importantly what if one of them becomes arrogant? because that was what ended the Banite line, Sidious' arrogance and complacency, he also displayed a great amount of pettiness over his position as Emperor of the Galaxy, if he hadn't have screwed over all of Grand Admiral Thrawn's attempts to beat the New Republic and instead have joined, they most certainly would've crushed the New Republic and restored the Galactic Empire, but noooooooooooo just because Thrawn had assumed the ruler position over the Imperial Remnant(What the hell did Sidious expect him to do? he had DIED, the Empire didn't need to be attacked by the Republic, it was doing a fine job of blowing itself up once Sidious had 'croaked', the natural thing to do for Thrawn or any high ranking military official in that position would be to take command over the Imperial Remnant and try his best to reform the Empire), Sidious turned into a whiny ***** and screwed over all of Thrawn's plans, that was really pathetic.