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Krazy_Karl
11.17.2012 , 01:51 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Blastahr View Post
The same can be said about clearing it in 8man. We were able to clear it weeks before our 16man could. With 2 8man groups. With undergeared alts.
So what I hear you saying is that you could not find 16 players at one time who could perform together to execute a simple fight and instead relegated yourself to using the more skilled players in an 8M version. And you're also ignoring the fact that group composition for two 8M is drastically different than one 16M.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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LanceHarms
11.17.2012 , 01:54 PM | #302
You know KK, you're so *********** right.

I'll just stop trying to argue you.... you know the answers.... contrary to what many of the community seems to believe. I'm done arguing a wall.

1 Night later is NOT significantly longer....
Blažne
Shadow Dragon Universe - Officer
The Shadowlands ; 16 Ops-Raid Progression Guild
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Blastahr
11.17.2012 , 02:19 PM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by Krazy_Karl View Post
So what I hear you saying is that you could not find 16 players at one time who could perform together to execute a simple fight and instead relegated yourself to using the more skilled players in an 8M version. And you're also ignoring the fact that group composition for two 8M is drastically different than one 16M.

Regards,
KK
I'm not saying that at all. In fact, we used our 16man team, split it into two 8man teams, with two of our dps going on tank alts. Crazy concept, I know.

Quote: Originally Posted by Krazy_Karl View Post
which is probably why it took you significantly longer to complete the encounter than us.
Refer to Blaine's comment on this. And if you mean 8 vs 16, they are different. Besides, just like you did with 16man, we one shot terror as an 8man when we decided to try it, and to be honest, we were embarrassed to admit to killing it on 8man. Thats how easy it was.

Regards,
Blastahr
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Krazy_Karl
11.17.2012 , 03:19 PM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by Blastahr View Post
I'm not saying that at all. In fact, we used our 16man team, split it into two 8man teams, with two of our dps going on tank alts. Crazy concept, I know.
Maybe you should watch our video of our 16M HM TFB kill. Various points throughout the kill, we lost people to DC's and still managed to kill him with ease. So you were doing something wrong in your 16M.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blastahr View Post
Refer to Blaine's comment on this. And if you mean 8 vs 16, they are different. Besides, just like you did with 16man, we one shot terror as an 8man when we decided to try it, and to be honest, we were embarrassed to admit to killing it on 8man. Thats how easy it was.
Yes, they are different. 16M is easier than 8M due to the mechanics and as such the strategies are different. What is not easier, is finding 16 people who are all competent and can work together as a team to complete the fight.

And to be honest, we were embarrassed for you when we realized how easy the entire instance of TFB HM was on 16M, especially with how long and all the hours of attempts it took you to beat it.

We can just agree to disagree, when in all reality, the size of the raid is not the difficulty, the difficulty is "Normal, Hard, Nightmare" and executing the mechanics properly.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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bigheadbrandon
11.17.2012 , 04:16 PM | #305
So the entirety of this argument can be summed up to realizing that good players are good when thrown into any situation? GASP, a guild who progressed through the raid on 8man had no trouble doing 16man and a guild who progressed through 16man had no trouble doing 8man. Do you guys not get it? If you have one size of the same instance and difficulty on farm, its on farm.
You're both trying to brag about how easy the other size is well maybe it's not that its easy its that you've already figured out the entire instance you friggin dinguses.

We spent as much time and effort figuring out 8man as you guys did 16man, well maybe not AS much and we then took all that same experience and applied to doing 16man in one night. There is virtually no change in the mechanics from one size to the other, just variations to adjust to having more people. A guild that's used to 8man where every single person in the raid matters and you have no room for error is going to THINK 16man is easier because most people are expendable. So of course if you flip that around a guild who is used to all the raid damage and such from 16man who then steps into 8man is going to THINK it's easier. It's not actually easier you just THINK it is.

I'm actually kind of embarrassed for both sides of this discussion and that I even attempted to be a part of it. We really should shut up about this now or take it to somewhere else, this thread's been derailed long enough and I'm sure all of these posts are going to wind up deleted.

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LoL-K-Noob
11.17.2012 , 05:14 PM | #306
Do continue, its entertaining

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Wookieenator
11.17.2012 , 08:12 PM | #307
I would just like to reiterate and announce that <Little Baby's Ice Cream> has the world 1st NiM 16man EC clear, and their alt guild, <Little Baby Creamers> just cleared it as well. thank you

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iRedRIng
11.17.2012 , 08:29 PM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Wookieenator View Post
I would just like to reiterate and announce that <Little Baby's Ice Cream> has the world 1st NiM 16man EC clear, and their alt guild, <Little Baby Creamers> just cleared it as well. thank you
Undeniable Proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erh2ngRZxs0

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iRedRIng
11.17.2012 , 08:34 PM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Wookieenator View Post
I would just like to reiterate and announce that <Little Baby's Ice Cream> has the world 1st NiM 16man EC clear, and their alt guild, <Little Baby Creamers> just cleared it as well. thank you
And here is the alt guild's clear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_fVzTJO-8

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Parthenon
11.17.2012 , 09:11 PM | #310
Undercon downed 8m HM Terror at 10:00pm Eastern on Sat., Nov. 17th.

http://ff.devodog.us/dnn/Portals/1/G..._43_394944.jpg

Lockout photo since I wasn't lead and couldn't open Ops challenge window:

http://ff.devodog.us/dnn/Portals/1/G..._11_851731.jpg