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The Shadowlands: Ops Progression Thread

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The Shadowlands: Ops Progression Thread

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Krazy_Karl
10.02.2012 , 01:42 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Typeslice View Post
A little disappointed at what appears to be a noticeable step down in difficulty on 8 Man.
This has been true since EV/KP Nightmare on 16M with the exception of 16M HM Explosive conflict which was significantly easier with 16 players (mistakes could be recovered from in 16M, whereas on 8M a mistake meant a wipe). I contend than every fight in 16M HM EC was easier with 16 versus 8.

The real difficulty in 16M HM over 8M HM in Terror From Beyond is the fact that there are an extra 8 players who could make a mistake, thereby increasing the likelyhood of a wipe by 100%. Every fight is execution based. And a single mistake will wipe the raid regardless of 8M HM or 16M HM.

This equates the level of difficulty in terms of skill as identical between 16M HM and 8M HM. The level of difficulty in terms of execution comes down to the fact that there are twice as many players engaging the boss, doubling the likelihood of a wipe.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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Darkcy
10.02.2012 , 04:28 AM | #102
<Legionnaires of Liberty>
Republic

Downed 8 man:

Eternity Vault: SM / HM / NiM
Karagga's Place: SM / HM/ NiM
Explosive Conflict : SM
Terror From Beyond: SM

Our Guild name was changed from <Anonymous @ The Shadowlands> to the name seen above. I forgot to take pic for TFB I will this upcoming week

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/...ntitled-13.png

Please change to NiM as stated above

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fearrious
10.02.2012 , 06:39 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by NoxIrradiata View Post
The Shadowlands Progression thread is back!

Tier 3 - 16 Man Terror From Beyond

WH/ DG/ OIX/KTU/ TFB- Stoic(HM Kephess 10/01/12)
WH/DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB- Shadow Dragon Universe (HM Operator IX 09/30/12)
WH/ DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB- Undercon(HM Writhing Horror 09/27/12)
WH/ DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB-Paradigm(HM Writhing Horror 09/30/12)
While I appreciate the credit for 16(we'll get it soon), we did KTU on 8 man. I don't know how you want to handle this because we did all of the other bosses on 16 man, but I just wanted to clarify that we have NOT killed Kephess on 16 man. Monday is not our usual night - we just got 8 people together to learn the mechanics so we could translate that into 16 man success.
Onomoro, DPS Sage and Derpadin, Vanguard Tank
Raider of Stoic on The Shadowlands
5/5 16 Man TfB.
http://www.stoicguild.org

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NoxIrradiata
10.02.2012 , 07:36 AM | #104
Updated.


Corrected HM Kephess kill listing for Stoic.
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Typeslice
10.02.2012 , 08:29 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Krazy_Karl View Post
This has been true since EV/KP Nightmare on 16M with the exception of 16M HM Explosive conflict which was significantly easier with 16 players (mistakes could be recovered from in 16M, whereas on 8M a mistake meant a wipe). I contend than every fight in 16M HM EC was easier with 16 versus 8.

The real difficulty in 16M HM over 8M HM in Terror From Beyond is the fact that there are an extra 8 players who could make a mistake, thereby increasing the likelyhood of a wipe by 100%. Every fight is execution based. And a single mistake will wipe the raid regardless of 8M HM or 16M HM.

This equates the level of difficulty in terms of skill as identical between 16M HM and 8M HM. The level of difficulty in terms of execution comes down to the fact that there are twice as many players engaging the boss, doubling the likelihood of a wipe.

Regards,
KK
I would contend, at least on dread guards (since its the only one I've done in both configurations), that it tuned slightly higher on 16. It is a heal intensive fight, and it is considerably easier to heal on 8 man, taking raid healing out of the equation. The difference in perceived difficulty was so stark that Im unable to chalk it up completely to the extra 8 players yet. That beig said, I absolutely agree that carrying 16 players versus 8 adds inherent extra difficulty, but from what I saw it was more than that in this instance.

Additionally, if I'm not mistaken (which i often am =P) it was noted by PTS guilds testing on 16 that it seemed to be tuned higher.
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The Shadowlands
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Luecian
10.02.2012 , 10:38 AM | #106
Kaizen is 3/4 HM EC and cleared SM TFB on 9/27/2012. Link to screenshot below from our Gallery.

http://kaizen.enjin.com/gallery/m/24...721#pid=825651

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Luecian
10.02.2012 , 12:20 PM | #107
Sorry, also Kaizen is a republic side guild.

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veyl
10.02.2012 , 01:49 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by NoxIrradiata View Post
Updated.


Corrected HM Kephess kill listing for Stoic.
How have they only killed Kephess? Did they skip the first 3 bosses?

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Niorlan
10.02.2012 , 02:01 PM | #109
<The Revenant> Has cleared the Dread Guard for Hard mode Terror From Beyond for 8man (Empire). We cleared this yesterday (10/1):

http://i47.tinypic.com/npj77p.jpg
Arli (Operative) / Naloc (Powertech) / Lowri (Marauder) / Xerity (Shadow)

Formerly of The Razor

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AzazaelLoki
10.02.2012 , 02:22 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by veyl View Post
How have they only killed Kephess? Did they skip the first 3 bosses?
He clearly stated in his post that the first 3 were done on 16 man.
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