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TOR is amazing! =) ...But the game management is awful :(

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TOR is amazing! =) ...But the game management is awful :(

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SpazCats
09.17.2012 , 02:53 PM | #71
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LeonBraun
09.17.2012 , 02:56 PM | #72
It would seem clear that as "many" as a million other TOR players have had issues with at least some aspects of the game, otherwise we would have as many as 1.7 million or more playing the game currently. As far as standing up and owning a situation, this is exactly what I would ask the leadership of TOR to do as there are still a great many who still play this game and want to see it thrive.
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turjake
09.17.2012 , 03:04 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by LeonBraun View Post
It would seem clear that as "many" as a million other TOR players have had issues with at least some aspects of the game, otherwise we would have as many as 1.7 million or more playing the game currently. As far as standing up and owning a situation, this is exactly what I would ask the leadership of TOR to do as there are still a great many who still play this game and want to see it thrive.
Do those people have issues with SWTOR who are jumping from game to next game. For example plenty of people played rift before SWTOR. Atter tor went to diablo 3, then possibly to secret world, then started GW 2 and the next big thing will be pandas in WoW.

Other big group would be those that wanted to test tor but decided to go back to their old game.

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BuddyRufus
09.17.2012 , 03:21 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by turjake View Post
Do those people have issues with SWTOR who are jumping from game to next game. For example plenty of people played rift before SWTOR. Atter tor went to diablo 3, then possibly to secret world, then started GW 2 and the next big thing will be pandas in WoW.

Other big group would be those that wanted to test tor but decided to go back to their old game.
I think this is an aspect that is overlooked regularly. The problem is that these MMOs operate in an overcrowded market. People will leave for a variety of different reasons. There are plenty of gamers who will play something and move on to whatever comes next rather quickly. In today's market, they don't have to wait very long before there is something new to try. I myself, have been guilty of supporting this trend on occasion.

This does not necessarily speak to SWTOR having issues that made these gamers leave.
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Miggzy
09.17.2012 , 03:22 PM | #75
As long as they deliver on the stuff they have promised then we will be fine. The only content I remember coming out in the last 9 months is novare coast, this is because i am a pvp'r but still its pretty bad because they were listening to the whiners on the forums of course. So much time was spent on the group finder when the problem was actually server population. I dont get why people can just get out there and annoy people in general till they get a group. Also ranked warzones, well thats fine and all but its not much imo if its not cross server where you are actually gonna be placed against the best in the whole game. That is real competition, and ranked is just weak without.

Ok so they wasted a lot of time on dumb stuff, and then they shifted there focus on the free to play thing having to build infrastructure for that. GOOD NEWS though guys, we are finally gonna get substantial content updates. TFB is gonna be fun cuz its hard or whatever and makeb+Hk-51 is a substantial expansion to endgame content plus a new warzone and an evennt on Ilum. So we have been waiting a long time but once this free to play thing gets smoothed out we will see some great additions to the game finally.

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Andryah
09.17.2012 , 03:26 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by BuddyRufus View Post
I think this is an aspect that is overlooked regularly. The problem is that these MMOs operate in an overcrowded market. People will leave for a variety of different reasons. There are plenty of gamers who will play something and move on to whatever comes next rather quickly. In today's market, they don't have to wait very long before there is something new to try. I myself, have been guilty of supporting this trend on occasion.

This does not necessarily speak to STWOR having issues that made these gamers leave.
I agree.

People like to overlook the fact that "many" are content consumers who hop from game to game and back around again for a rinse and repeat. Nothing SWTOR does will interupt this style of player.

People like to overlook the fact that "many" are really single player gamers who treat a new MMO no differently then a new single player game. Nothing SWTOR does will interupt this style of player.

I could go on and on with segments of the player base that represent a "many" that nothing Bioware does would retain, but I think you get the point.
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SpazCats
09.17.2012 , 03:35 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by BuddyRufus View Post
I think this is an aspect that is overlooked regularly. The problem is that these MMOs operate in an overcrowded market. People will leave for a variety of different reasons. There are plenty of gamers who will play something and move on to whatever comes next rather quickly. In today's market, they don't have to wait very long before there is something new to try. I myself, have been guilty of supporting this trend on occasion.

This does not necessarily speak to SWTOR having issues that made these gamers leave.
This has always been an issue for sure for MMO's, and it does get worse as more and more MMO's are out there at the same time.

I still think that SWTOR could have done way better than only roughly, what about, 500k active subs right now though, being that it is made with the Star Wars IP with such a large budget, if it wasn't so mis-managed as the OP points out.

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TheRainstater
09.17.2012 , 03:39 PM | #78
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TOR is a failure that drove off so many players its going F2P to squeeze the lemon dry, nice that you agree just not on the how is fine My friend wants to play TOR and that was already made clear but your ability to comprehend is your business
Your friend must really feel special that you force yourself to play this game you think is horrible in order to spend time with him/her. That the time you spend with them in SWTOR is nothing more then you disrespecting them behind their back blatantly flaming something they enjoy.

You're actually a pretty crappy friend. If I had a friend who was pretending to be my friend and pretending to enjoy something I enjoy while really hating every minute of it I would stop being that persons friend.

No one wants a fake friend.
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LeonBraun
09.17.2012 , 06:10 PM | #79
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The title of this thread concerned me, but I must admit that the Original Poster is right on point. I must agree. I would truly love to see more communication and interaction with the community.
I was considering not going with this title, but ultimately it's a really honest title and sometimes one needs to be bluntly honest; sometimes it's what's best.

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@LeonBraun:

What you posted has nothing to do with the SUBJECT of this thread.

What you ostensibly posted was a post on "communications" concerning SWTOR by The Community Team.
I used the word "management" because the issues I mentioned go far beyond the community team. While the current community team is barely doing any better than they were when Stephen Reid was here, the fact that very little has changed since then says quite a bit about what the SWTOR community team is allowed to work with; though there is still plenty of room for improvement where the forum mods are concerned.

We have been given feed back from the highest levels at points since release from everyone from the doctors Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk to James Ohlen to Daniel Erickson, right down to our community mods. The management I was referring to is everyone in administration involved in this game; and yes, the job that is being done here regarding player interaction needs to improve. This is crucial to future success of SWTOR.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
I believe a big part of this can be resolved by additional active participation by the community team and devs on the forum. Yes, this forum. It's cool to have Facebook, Twiiter, Reddit, etc all covered but this is the only space on the web that is 100% devoted to THIS game. They need a bigger presence here.

Ok, so they don't have anything new to say but can't you add to player discussion and pretend you care about the game? Example, threads about lore, game play style, etc should have a bioware community rep response. It would show us that you actually play your own product and care about it enough to have an opinion on things, even if you post a disclaimer that it's your opinion only.

This isn't a SWG is better thread but I remember when I first started playing Thunderheart and Twiggs the CM's for SWG would post at least 10-12 things daily. He was passionate about his job because he was actually a huge fan of the game prior to being hired as a CM. We need that same level of interest.

I fully appreciate their efforts to reach out to developers but it would be even better if they were engaged in the community in ways that are non official as well. More communication, even when it seems like it's non essential says volumes more for the health of the game than the current pace of information flow.
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Cheezfriend
09.17.2012 , 06:28 PM | #80
The fact that Bioware hasn't posted in this thread says it all.