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Why the Vanguard is considered balanced by EA/BW.

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Why the Vanguard is considered balanced by EA/BW.

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Draekos
10.08.2012 , 04:47 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by SajPl View Post
No just no. Marauders destroy vanguards.
No, just No, my VG has eaten his share Maras, while it probably helps that I have played quite a bit as a marauder. Most just explode when I focus them. There are some outstanding ones out there, but not most.

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SajPl
10.08.2012 , 07:19 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Draekos View Post
No, just No, my VG has eaten his share Maras, while it probably helps that I have played quite a bit as a marauder. Most just explode when I focus them. There are some outstanding ones out there, but not most.
Marauder vs vanguard is a simple dps race - both have similar damage, one has more defensive cooldowns, so guess who wins the race?

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Laforet
10.08.2012 , 08:02 AM | #63
Vanguard has ZERO survivabililty alright, im sure deception sins, sorcs and concealment ops could use that 12 sec 25% dmg reduction shield which can be specced to beak roots/slows and to have its own cd reduction every time someone (grasp) hits you.

You guys are priceless, just priceless.
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SajPl
10.08.2012 , 08:47 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Laforet View Post
Vanguard has ZERO survivabililty alright, im sure deception sins, sorcs and concealment ops could use that 12 sec 25% dmg reduction shield which can be specced to beak roots/slows and to have its own cd reduction every time someone (grasp) hits you.

You guys are priceless, just priceless.
Deception sins dont have force speed, cloak, deflection and force shroud ?
Ops dont have cloak, a speed buff, 2 shields and that little hide behind the corner and heal yourself trick ?

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TheronFett
10.08.2012 , 09:04 AM | #65
Been leveling a couple alts in lowbie PvP lately. There's a Vanguard duo on my server who are both level 23, and each puts up 400k damage consistently. That's level 23, kids. Which means they don't even have the top tier talents yet that really make Assault shine.

Powertech is my main. Has been since beta, long before the FOTMers started re-rolling. I've since switched to Shieldtech, as Pyro has long been boring and stale. The OP has a point to an extent. Yes, this spec is fight or flight because they don't have defensive CDs or escape mechanisms. It's either them or you. However...

Point for point, Pyro/Assault continues to offer the highest damage versus skill and/or level in the game. The class literally has no learning curve, and requires very little situational awareness or managing CDs. Without a doubt, this is the ez-mode class. Even tanking in PvE is stupid easy compared to other classes. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you're awesome or a special snowflake. Literally ANYONE call faceroll with this class.

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Marisblood
10.08.2012 , 09:34 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by tehrealdealz View Post
Been reading alot of posts lately about how "overpowered" the Vanguard class is and how the damage is so "unbalanced" compared to other classes. First and foremost, ive been playing my Vanguard for roughly 4-5 months now and I can tell you without a doubt we are NOT "overpowered" by any means. Let me explain why. The Vanguard class has absolutely ZERO survivability compared to other classes (talking about the assault tree here btw since I think thats what people are complaining about). We dont have a sprint. We dont have a force cloak. We can't heal ourselves.

Basically with the Vanguard class there is no Fight or Flight option for us. When I engage the enemy on my Vanguard I know either im going to get killed or i'm going to kill them. That's all. EA/BW i'm sure sees this as well that is why they will NOT nerf the Vanguard. As far as our damage goes, if you compare it to say a Marauder, Shadow Tank, hell even a good operative, you'll find that the Vanguard is way way behind those classes in both damage AND survivability.

So to all those players hoping for some kind of nerf to the Vanguard you're going to have to wait until the Marauder gets nerfed first before any changes happen to the Vanguard. Sorry but when I read some of these posts it sounds like a L2P issues to me. Anyway just my two cents.
Because DEVS told us they want VG/PT feel like super soldier. I have no problem with them doing hiest dmg in the game but ffs remove their 2+4 sec stun. A class with such dmg do not need any stuns so we can at list counter them a bit.

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Ancaglon
10.08.2012 , 10:02 AM | #67
The OP has some validity, but generally, AS VG/Pyro PT burst is too high -- this is also true of snipers and marauders. (And I speak as someone with a mid-level Vanguard -- I also have a 50 Shadow and 50 Commando). Combining this with the sheer amount of stuns and other incapacitation in this game, it makes for a very poor player experience until they do a lot of gear grinding. IMO, health pools should be doubled, so that there is actually time to react rather than being blown up, mostly while stunned.

Mediocre survivability is still better than Commando/Mercenary gets, and they certainly don't do any better than an equivalent-geared VG/PT, even when both use essentially the same skill tree.

As for level 20ish putting out 400k damage, you need to remember that in the pre-50 bracket, Bolster allows for some serious twinkage -- kit out those with social gear, fill with purple mods, armorings and barrels, and you will be so far ahead of "the curve" that you will be bolstered to godly levels.

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SajPl
10.08.2012 , 10:23 AM | #68
I guess I could look for that old screen where my guildie did 299k damage on a lvl 10 sage. Nerf sages? I put up 400+k damage on my slinger consistently, nerf slingers?

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Laforet
10.08.2012 , 10:50 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by SajPl View Post
Deception sins dont have force speed, cloak, deflection and force shroud ?
Ops dont have cloak, a speed buff, 2 shields and that little hide behind the corner and heal yourself trick ?
None of those work when youre under focus fire in a rated WZ.

Cloaks? What do you mean by cloaks? CDs that lasts for 3 seconds and deflect auto attacks only?

You guys just dont get it do you? Assault is the second high dps competitive burst meleeish spec in terms of survivability, losing only to mara.

If you say mara has the most incredible OP cds, im right with you, but saying Assault has zero survivability? Thats BS seriously.

In the realm of melee dps, Vanguard survivability is only second to maras, with heavy armor and a very nice defensive cooldown, something that none other melee dps has (except mara). Thats why you dont see deception in RWZs, and very few concealments (which are generally demoted to the role of sap capping / stealth guarding).

And no, shadow tanks arent melee dps, sure they hit like one but thats another matter.
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