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Darth Caedus vs Yoda


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SmugglersLuck
09.07.2012 , 04:04 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Lets put it this way, Caedus took on Grand Master Luke Skywalker to the point where he could actually pose a good threat and the Sword of the Jedi herself was toyed with by Caedus, his damn arm went clean off and he basically didn't even register it, she almost lost the duel and he wasn't even trying to fight back.

That's beside having abilities like Shatterpoint in his arsenal.
This. Caedus was very knowledgeable about many aspects of the Force. having abilities such as Aing-Tii fighting sight and Theran Force-listening. Yoda would be in for a fight.

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BrandonSM
09.07.2012 , 04:10 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Lets put it this way, Caedus took on Grand Master Luke Skywalker to the point where he could actually pose a good threat and the Sword of the Jedi herself was toyed with by Caedus, his damn arm went clean off and he basically didn't even register it, she almost lost the duel and he wasn't even trying to fight back.

That's beside having abilities like Shatterpoint in his arsenal.
I haven't personally read the LOTF Series, I'm basing all my info on wookieepedia.

But didn't Jaina have Skywalker's help?
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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Rayla_Felana
09.07.2012 , 04:15 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
I haven't personally read the LOTF Series, I'm basing all my info on wookieepedia.

But didn't Jaina have Skywalker's help?
Yup, he was doing everything but actually getting physically involved and he actually distracted Caedus with his presence and kept caedus from finding Jaina, who would have definitely been killed otherwise.

Now I will note, all of these things didn't happen in one duel, it was more like a prolonged on and off duel that took place all over Caedus' SSD, IIRC.

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BradTheImpaler
09.07.2012 , 04:19 PM | #14
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Damn.... I have no idea, this would take extra thought and some serious debate to figure this one out.
I agree. I think that if Caedus won, though, it would probably be through some sort of trick rather than through brute strength of Force-sensitivity. Just as two examples. he only managed to catch Mara Jade off guard with a poison dart, and took out a Jedi by bouncing blaster bolts from his own troopers. His endurance for pain was remarkable, however, and he definitely has the advantage in terms of pure physical strength unaided by the Force. He also rivalled even Kyle Katarn and possibly Luke Skywalker in terms of lightsaber combat, and knew a variety of rare Force techniques (though using some of these required incredible concentration).

In terms of lightsaber skills, Yoda was skilled in every form, but especially in the aggressive Ataru form because he relied on jumps & leaps and other force-aided movements. He even managed to rival Palpatine, who was canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history. What we see of him shows his strength with the Force is great, and I'd be surprised if, in his hundreds of years as a Jedi Master, he didn't learn some unusual techniques of his own.

So in this case, the environment of their duel might be the deciding factor.
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BrandonSM
09.07.2012 , 04:28 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by BradTheImpaler View Post
I agree. I think that if Caedus won, though, it would probably be through some sort of trick rather than through brute strength of Force-sensitivity. Just as two examples. he only managed to catch Mara Jade off guard with a poison dart, and took out a Jedi by bouncing blaster bolts from his own troopers. His endurance for pain was remarkable, however, and he definitely has the advantage in terms of pure physical strength unaided by the Force. He also rivalled even Kyle Katarn and possibly Luke Skywalker in terms of lightsaber combat, and knew a variety of rare Force techniques (though using some of these required incredible concentration).

In terms of lightsaber skills, Yoda was skilled in every form, but especially in the aggressive Ataru form because he relied on jumps & leaps and other force-aided movements. He even managed to rival Palpatine, who was canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history. What we see of him shows his strength with the Force is great, and I'd be surprised if, in his hundreds of years as a Jedi Master, he didn't learn some unusual techniques of his own.

So in this case, the environment of their duel might be the deciding factor.
No, its gonna be head on. Caedus can't trick The Wisest Jedi Master of all time...
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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Aurbere
09.07.2012 , 04:32 PM | #16
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No, its gonna be head on. Caedus can't trick The Wisest Jedi Master of all time...
Trick me you can not.

Can't blame him for trying though.
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BradTheImpaler
09.07.2012 , 05:08 PM | #17
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No, its gonna be head on. Caedus can't trick The Wisest Jedi Master of all time...
Caedus can mask his presence in the Force kinda like Palpatine could...but maybe you're right.
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Aurbere
09.07.2012 , 05:10 PM | #18
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Caedus can mask his presence in the Force kinda like Palpatine could...but maybe you're right.
Yoda is a master of precognitive skills. If Caedus tried any sort of sneak attack or under-handed tactic, Yoda would sense it and most likely deflect it.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
09.07.2012 , 05:40 PM | #19
Could I make a case for our diminutive friend?


Yoda was the greatest master of the Jedi Order. His Lightsaber skills rivaled the likes of Mace Windu and Darth Sidious. He mastered every Lightsaber form and mastered the Ataru form to the extreme. He preferred Ataru because of its acrobatic abilities. Coupling his great speed and dexterity with the acrobatics of Ataru made him a force to be reckoned with in combat. His skill with a Lightsaber allowed him to survive a duel with Darth Sidious, who imo could WTFPWN Caedus.



He was capable of reflecting Force Lightning with his bare hands, including the Lightning of Darth Sidious. He had masterful precognitive and foresight abilities capable of rivaling Darth Sidious. He mastered telekinetic abilities, allowing him to move several landing craft during the Battle of Coruscant. During that battle he could use Force Push and Wave to flatten whole battalions of battle droids. Yoda was also a practitioner of Battle Meditation, which he used to empower his soldiers during the Clone Wars.

Now I refrenced the Star Wars wiki for some of this information. After reading up on Caedus, I understand that Yoda would be fighting an uphill battle, but what feats Yoda does have are very impressive. Particularly his fight with Darth Sidious. Take it as you will I guess.

Does anyone know of a book that has Yoda as the main character? The only one I know of is Dark Rendezvous.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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BradTheImpaler
09.08.2012 , 02:18 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Yoda is a master of precognitive skills. If Caedus tried any sort of sneak attack or under-handed tactic, Yoda would sense it and most likely deflect it.
Precognition did not help Yoda detect Sidious' true nature until it was too late. Same could be said for Caedus.
Now, assuming Yoda already knew Jacen Solo's true nature as Darth Caedus, it still doesn't help.

As Darth Traya once said, "There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense". Jacen/Caedus taught this technique to Ben, who taught it to Luke. Luke used the same technique to sneak up on Caedus and Caedus had no clue what was coming. So it doesn't matter how strong Yoda's precognition is if there's nothing in the Force to warn him.

I'm not saying Caedus would win, but you don't quite understand what I mean by Caedus masking his presence. Nobody could sense him when he didn't want to be sensed, and even though he knew the technique it didn't stop Luke from using it against him.

FYI, Yes I have seen the wiki entry. I included info from Yoda's entry in my post above.
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