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The Empire and your personal Morality

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The Empire and your personal Morality

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NRecine
10.04.2012 , 08:30 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by GavinPatterson View Post
I played Republic first and then Empire for change. I quickly fell in love with the Empire - after all its the first chance in any star wars games to play on the side of evil.
But after leveling one 50 and a 46 of the same class - I have noticed a few times when the decisions made, or how the conversation went really made me sit back and go that's just wrong.
Has this happened to anyone else? has the choices made by the empire or the republic ever make you rethink the side you're on? if so, share your experience
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errant_knight
10.04.2012 , 09:14 AM | #32
I can't manage a truly DS character. I just can't do it. Only my juggernaut is purely LS, though and my knight is the darkest grey. of the bunch. I like it that the choices aren't always straight forward. To be purely DS, you pretty much have to be a genocidal lunatic, often killing without reason. To be entirely LS, you sometimes have to do things that clearly go against rational best interests--this is particularly true of the knight story where they did an amazing job of have the DS seem increasingly reasonable as you progress.

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KallahKrafted
10.06.2012 , 06:42 PM | #33
I'm a pretty mild role-player, but something I've enjoyed (here and in other games) was coming up with the answer to a single question for each character I make: what is the main thing that motivates this character to act the way he/she does? My combat medic Trooper, for example, joined the military to get out of a dead-end small town/planet lifestyle and is wholly devoted to following orders, because she believes that following those orders that help the greater good is the "right thing to do". Why does she believe following orders is the "right thing to do", even when she might have found them morally questionable in her civilian life? Because she isn't overly gifted in the plotting, planning, and management departments (she excels at being a follower, rather than a leader), but the people handing down those orders have been trained for it (in many cases) their entire adult lives. Only a handful of times in the process of finishing chapters 1-3 three did she go against her orders, resulting in an interesting mix of Light and Dark points, but sitting there and quickly debating the situation with my friend - also a fairly lawful Trooper - were some of the best bursts of RP I've run into so far.

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Alec_Fortescue
10.07.2012 , 08:47 AM | #34
Some decisions available to a Jedi are making me go "that's just wrong"... Sparing a criminal who would kill me within a blink of an eye with no remorse at all? Sacrifing my freedom or mission for a miserable being which deserves its fate (look at the Evocii which sold themselves to the Hutts for shinies)?

What made me really annoyed is the mission on Nar Shadda:
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There is one ridiculous moment on the Imperial side. It's a heroic quest where you get to destroy a cave-base on Balmorra full of highly trained Balmorran resistance troops. After a long and difficult combat you have to destroy the generators and suddenly some refugee woman approaches you saying that they're poor refuges and they're not armed and they cannot fight etc etc etc... Sorry, I just had to cut through the local special forces to get in here. It hardly looks like a refuge for the victims of war. And destroying it up was satisfying.
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Diplomaticus
10.08.2012 , 02:42 AM | #35
In my opinion, the most evil act in the game (to my knowledge at least) is actually part of a Republic Main Quest line. (on Belsavis)

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I felt really nasty doing that.

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NSStember
10.08.2012 , 10:52 AM | #36
I have a few chars on both Rep and Imp side now that have reached the end of their stories and I know I try to get into the characters and make morality choices based upon who they are and it can be fun, but I can understand how some of the choices give you pause. My Sith Marauder was played very, very dark, and there were a few times I hit that "dark choice" and the results were a tad upsetting. Her only "soft spot" was Vette and things she did for her.

So now I'm doing the story again, this time with a Jug who will be very loyal to the empire, but not cruel for being cruel's sake.

But conversely, my Jedi Sentinel had a hot head and made more than one dark choice too (though still managing to reach Light 4 by the end). It's all about the roleplay of the character

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bpphantom
10.09.2012 , 12:52 PM | #37
My first character once the game went live was a twi'lek assassin. I laughed quite often at the "dark side" responses and my guild and I would chat about how going pure-dark made you sound like a psychopath more than an evil bad ***.
Next was a mirulakan knight and going only light side I can honestly hear that dialogue and think he's just a really nice guy.
Mirulakan sniper is a mix. Best self interests and best imperial interests. Still more dark then light, but much more stable.
Based on the dialogue choices I always pictured exclusive dark side characters running around slaughtering anything that moved and some things that don't, for no reason except to do it. They are crazy, not evil.
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Heimskringla
11.03.2012 , 10:32 PM | #38
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My Gunslinger is now on Belsavis, and to be honest, I was kind of shocked when I learned that the Republic is imprisoning people who never commited crimes against the Galaxy - they were descendants of incarcerated criminals and their only crime was that they were born on Belsavis. I mean, seriously? And the Republic is supposed to be the good side?
I just started a Republic character after playing Empire characters since launch (45 SI, 40 SW, 12 BH), and I have to say that the way the Republic is characterized is one of the things I really love about the story. You can really understand why the Sith feel that the Republic is corrupt and degenerate. I sometimes imagine the things one of my Sith characters would say if he were interacting with the Republic NPCs in lieu of my Smuggler.
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Flyceratops
11.03.2012 , 11:32 PM | #39
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Whenever both sides cooperate I think "we need more of this". Specifically:

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It shows the moral ambiguity inherent in armed conflict.

A very long time ago, in a middle school far, far away a visiting scoutmaster for Boy Scouts of America told us a story about an experience he had in the Desert Storm conflict. He was part of a a convoy that was ambushed and he was forced to retreat in a different direction than his squad. Working to regroup with his men, he was caught unarmed by an opposing soldier. Basically having nothing to lose, he threw up his Scout sign. The opposing soldier also put up his Scout sign and walked away.

Fictionalized or not, it left an impact on me. I never considered that those involved in armed conflict were "people", in the emotional sense, and were able to make decisions based on their own morality and not some greater goal assigned to them from someone in an office 3,000 miles away.

When I hear about similar stories, I think that this something I'd like to see represented more often. The above two story lines gave me the opportunity to see it.

Playing a Sith Warrior all dark felt boring after playing my inquisitor that way. Adding some light side choices as they made sense (no killing of innocents, for instance) made way more sense to me than just the full "ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR!!!" rhetoric that a pure dark side story would give you. We need to see more of that.

TL;DR Yes.
Though obviously you've considered that the man's story is a lie, I'll put forth that it most likely is, given that one of the main red flags for someone lying about being in a traumatic experience like a war is that they'll talk about their experiences in detail like that (for that sort of experience that is a hell of a lot of detail.). *shrug*

Though yes, I'd love to see more stuff like that. Maybe give the character an option that is totally self-destructive, like 'I'll kill those silly Republic people anyway, and if the Imperials try to stop me I'll kill them for disobeying orders anyway!' and just be able to walk away and not care about whatever you just lost.

...I like being evil sometimes.

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Scathe
11.04.2012 , 12:19 AM | #40
My first character was a Dark Side Marauder, I took him straight down the DS line with only a few light side options, mostly because I found it easier to play pure DS than to have some of the LS choices play out. There were, however, more than a few times that I chose the LS option because it felt like the right thing to do.

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I've made mostly Imp characters, partially because I can't agree with the Republic's way of thinking or with the Jedi and their super strict code, and leveling has only really shown me the true depths of corruption on the Republic. Like on Ord Mantell when leveling as a trooper, one of the lower ranking soldiers tells you about a superior taking bribes for better patrol routes (Stolen from DA2 I think), or the Cathar Refugee that tells you the Republic outpost won't help the Refugee's by giving them medicine and instead steal and extort from the people. Or those two soldiers that are playing a betting game on Refugee's making their way through a minefield to get much needed resources.

So in short, do I question my morality? Not really, since I know that no matter what I do on Empire side, I'm at least being honest about my ability to stab you in the back. It seems right when I make a DS choice, though it is still hard to make some of them.