This game could learn from SWG

You're totally misunderstanding the expression.

SWTOR is a themepark MMO, by not "reinventing the wheel" it borrows a lot of things from predecessors, EQ, WoW, lotro, etc.

A sandbox MMO is a completely different type of game. An MMOfps is also a completely different sort've game. Not saying that these shouldn't be borrowed from, but saying that taking from these IS "reinventing the wheel". This is because a themepark MMO, does not normally have heavy sandbox elements. To take something from another type of game and implement it in the themepark genre of MMOs, would be to create a new system, aka reinventing the wheel.

you know I didn't think it was possible for me to think any less of these forums... then it took two of us to explain the saying "reinvent the wheel"

the kicker in this thread tho is it is supposed to be about what ToR could learn from SWG yet every single thing from SWG I've seen being asked for were not unique to nor did they originate in SWG... they were just systems other games used that happened to also be in SWG

This game is a themepark game. A themepark game hybridized with sandbox elements is a new model. By definition to add SWG sandbox elements to any themepark game is "reinventing the wheel" rather than relying on the tried and true themepark model.

Lets try this another way.

Say I'm building an RTS game modeled after the Starcraft version of RTS. I decide I don't want to reinvent the wheel so I use the same general mechanics. If I were then to decide to borrow from, say, the Total War series and create a world overmap, I am no longer able to avoid "reinventing the wheel". I am at that point combining two models which HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN COMBINED. Thereby, I am creating an entirely new model.

Sandbox MMOs and themepark MMOs may fall under the same heading of MMOs. They're not the same model of game.

FPS games and RPG games may fall under the same heading of video games. They're not the same model of game though, and combining the two results in a new model. The result is clearly the case of "reinventing the wheel" by replacing old mechanics with new ones.

and again it's not my fault you have no reading comprehension... I never used a metaphor to say "suggest SWTOR should never even have considered SWG ideas"... no where did I even suggest anything close to that..

I posted a metaphor used by the Devs of this game to state that they were sticking to the standard mainstream design in response to you making a post stating that the devs never advertised this game as simply being another mainsteam MMO...


the only misunderstanding going on here is YOU misunderstanding a common saying and YOU not being able to comprehend a post or follow a conversation

it was a perfect metaphor and I didn't try and use it ... it was a metaphor used by the DEVS which you misunderstood and then took out of context

at this point i'm confused because you seem to be able to type in English but don't seem able to read posts made in English and actually understand them