This game could learn from SWG

Ok.. Nothing to talk about here.. People are just bent on flinging poo.. Have a nice day..

lol all you just said was basically "everyone who doesn't think SWG was awesome like I do either never played it or was dumb"

good luck with that

Although I agree with much of your post, this part is too biased and requires a rebuttal (or actually, one above your own one you made just below it)

The major figure against SWG's success is that most of it's lifetime (all except the first year), it was part of a hugely growing MMO market. But despite this, it did not manage to grow as much as the direct competitors. It is not a success because it was stable and in a decline in a time when the market was growing.
Yes, it had a big early market share.. but it got barely anything from the growth of the market and it's share plumetted because of this.

The market in TOR is actually different. The market for subscription based MMO's has been stable and is actually shrinking where total free to play (like LOTRO) or buy to play (like GW2) are actually the more succesful formulas with growth and all subscription formulas are actually shrinking.
People have become critical and demand a lot more from their 15 dollar subscription than for the game to be hosted, have bug fixes and content patches a few times a year. TOR has now seen what the market demands from their 15 dollars can't happen for that price anymore and have decided to change their market plan to suit the current environment.

I think, the best thing TOR learned from SWG is to not be afraid to change the direction of the game when the market demands it. A shame that SWG's change lost more subscribers than it gained (basicly because it was still too sandboxy for many themepark players it tried to attract and became too themparky for some sandboxers). But at least the game had the guts to admit the market was changing.

Let's just hope that TOR's reaction to market change will be more succesful.

You are grasping at straws. MMOdata.net wasnt even around when swg was released, and they got their info teh same place I just did.

You were given the burden of proof, and you decided to instead of do research, you try to debunk my sources...
1.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/10/...xies-interview IS AN INTERVIEW GIVEN BY IGN STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH AND IS IN ITSELF A SOURCE!
2.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ments-on-Swtor
I couldnt be bothered to find something other than that forum to give you data that everyone else but you apparently is fully aware of.
here you go. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-in-transition
I hope you dont mind that I dont bother linking you the millions of other articles about the conference call, and so a modicum of research on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...r_online_games
I guess we should all stop going to wikipedia.....because its not moderated or sourced and resourced and doesnt list the sources in blue at the bottom....

oh wait.....

Get real dude.

I never said everyone, you are misquoting me.

I said most, and that comes from personal experience, and is of course my opinion.

Most of the people in the bottom three categories I encountered years ago.

Its category one that you will find more often than not on these boards.

No real experience, just quoting someone else who quoted someone else who copied their opinion from someone else...

You weren't around for the campaign of veterans bashing the game for years im guessing..

I was one of those veterans.

The hate for swg doesnt come from the games systems, it comes from the agonizing betrayal we felt from sony destroying what we had built to create some haphazard copy of wow.

Im quite tired of playing haphazard copies of wow tbh.

You get real


SWG had a couple of months at launch when it looked like things would be good, and folks continued to leave until the point that CU was launched. Folks quickly grew tired of all the bugs, not to mention the total lack of varied PVE content.


Games that are doing well do not have their core systems rewritten. No amount of spin will ever change that fact.

SWG had nearly two years of doing well after launch with a stable player base of ~300k until the CU.

At a time when that was a very respectable number of subs...no amount of spin will ever change that fact.

Driz

Except that the market was growing, and the relatively new game was not.

Some of us did try to like the game....and it still sucked. The sweeping generalazations are a bit sad methinks. We used to laugh about the latest ckusterfrack in SWG while playing EQ. The sit in protests brought many a chuckles let me tell ya. The game was being ripped to Hell n back long before the "hater" epidemic ever thought about hitting the MMO scene.


I had intended to buy SWG at release. I thought awesome.....EQ in SW universe. After 2 yrs, I was totally hooked on EQ mechanics in 03. The thought of a SW MMO game had me salivating. Yet the bad word of mouth was slipping out prior to launch even though SOE didnt drop the NDA till like the weekend before IIRC. I ended up breaking down and purchasing during the CU era, and regretted wasting the money.

Recursive macros allowing dancer bots to spam general chat....not to mention automated leveling to avoid the boring content.
Alpha class Jedi...stupidest idea I ever heard in a MMO. It was later corrected.
Making an economic crafting sim when the movies were action/adventure
Trying to balance a metric ton of classes, relegating the game to launch with squat completed. Koster bit off too much.
Constantly being kicked from server. Didnt matter what type of rig ya run....everyone was susceptible.
Couldnt even add a jump function to allow for a true Y plane.


Heck I didnt sleep well last night, and I am sure there are other things my limited memory these days could recall if given enough time. The bottom line is that some of us that were around for SWs, in the 70s, and were also around for SWG's launch in 03. Yet we wanted nothing to do with it.

SWG couldnt hold a candle to EQ, and WoW took themepark MMO gaming mainstream.


Until we see a sandbox be a smash hit, themeparks will continue to control the MMO sphere. And no, games shouldnt be looking to things like open world housing or Owen classes.....which is what SWG thrived at from all accounts of those that enjoyed the game.


Things like a true space game(to go along with tunnel shooter for those that enjoy it), pazaak, Swoop racing, and things of that nature are not limited to sandboxes, and could fit right in with this game.