This game could learn from SWG

it's funny that you try and accuse me of stating my opinion as fact then continue to post things like this which are clearly nothing more than your opinion stated as a fact

SWG was a great game is your OPINION of it not a fact... and judging by it's sub numbers over it's lifespan most people disagreed


ha that reminds me of the last time I played SWG... like 90 percent of the players on every planet were AFK buffing with macros running and they were asking for donations... why would I give you money when your not even playing the game just standing around the spaceport with a macro running while you're at school/work

I wasn't arguing that they should / shouldn't go ahead with any particular feature. Frankly, I don't care.

I was simply stating that the development of new, large features for this game WILL draw away resources from other areas of development and when you and others like you say things like "Developing X features won't affect you at all" you are simply being ignorant as it will affect me.

Now, in terms of what they should be developing, I agree that adding more generic raids will not save this game and that something more radical is needed. I also agree that they need some serious market research to determine exactly what the market wants/needs and whether there is a gap that SW:TOR can fill. I'm fairly certain that BW/EA will go down the casual route, give us loads of fluff and easy content at the expense of open world pvp and decent raiding. However, if that's what is needed to save / grow the game then that is what they *should* do and i will simply quit and find another game.

But please, stop telling me and others that development of 1 feature is completely independant of all other features. That is false. Bioware have limited development so when they choose to develop one feature, be it housing, hobbies, pvp, raiding or space, it also means that the other features will likely not be developed at the same time.

1. You dodged the fact that you are doing the very thing you say I should not be doing.

2. You deliberately choose to look at sub numbers out of context. In the context of its peak SWG had perfectly respectable sub numbers. It was not the top dog, neither was a rotten egg. By your rationale, games like GW / Planetside / LOTRO / CO / CoH / Vanguard / Terra / Aion etc etc were all niche failures.....see how rediculous that sounds when taken out of context. Any game that is profitable and around for 8 years is by definition not a failure, either in the commercial sense or any other. You seem to think that unless a game has more than 2 million subs its both niche and a failure.

That is a flawed point of view to start with imo

Was WoW your first MMORPG by any chance?

Driz

lol I dodged nothing because I never stated my opinion as a fact nor did I take the sub numbers out of context... that is again you ignored the facts, claiming I said things I didn't and ignoring the reality of what was said... of course then you go on to try and insinuate that somehow I must be a WoW player and thus have a misguided view while yours is enlightened... it's all rather laughable

lol...the only things I have stated as pure fact are:

1. SWTOR needs some soft features if it is to have any longevity.
2. JTLS was a great addition to SWG.

The rest of my posts have been my own personal opinion and have been littered with IMO's just for clarity.

You, on the other hand have repeatedly bashed SWG with vague and generic critiscism that show you have very little experience of the game, made repeated claims as to it's official sub numbers without any evidence and claimed it is all fact. You also claim the vast majority of gamers disliked SWG, again without any evidence at all....and claimed it is all fact.

I dont claim to be enlightened I am just grown up enough to understand that McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone else however that does not mean they are the best burgers on the market. It also does not mean Burger King is a niche failure.

I referenced WoW because you seem to mistakenly believe that a game without multiple millions of subs is deemed a failure by the industry and as we all know, WoW was the first game in this genre to hit numbers anywhere near that. So it seemed likely that could have been your first MMORPG. If you choose to take that as an insult well then that's maybe an issue for you to have a think about rather than me.

Driz

no... actually both those things are your opinion as was you stating

... again those are all just your opinions yet here you are still claiming them as facts... also I never said " a game without multiple millions of subs is deemed a failure by the industry" ... seriously it's like your not even reading posts and just imagining what people are saying to you

But...SWG WAS a great game...that is my opinion....and no where in your quote of mine did I say it was fact? Now who does not even read posts?

Whereas you have referenced many times the number of subs and pointed to this and that most gamers disliked SWG as being indicative of the games status as a failure. That is equally an opinion however you have repeatedly asserted it as a fact. It is not a fact. If it was a fact you would evidence to support it....

I have stated my opinions and have not dressed them up as facts, hence the IMOs all over my posts. As I said the only things I state as facts are:

1. SWTOR needs soft activities if its longevity is to be preserved.
2. JTLS was a great addition to SWG.

And I stand by them.

Everything else has been my opinion and I have stated as much.

Now if ad hominems are all you got along with a poor attempt to derail what could be a constructive thread simply because the topic is based on a game you dislike than I have better things to do....happy trails

Driz

those are opinions... I suggest you invest in a dictionary

In that case then your assertion that SWG was a failure is also just an opinion, along with every other single thing you have said in this thread.

I'll invest in a dictionary and maybe you should invest in a good psychiatrist?

Driz

no it doesn't... and I do see a psychiatrist... weekly and the government pays for it