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Salips
08.30.2012 , 11:24 AM | #1
I think BW should make in-game feature that will show dmg / threat / healing. I feel totally blind without this. For me, looking on table with numbers in real time is essential in PvE. In PvP we have ,,score" table at the end of every WZ, so why PvE don't have any meter?
May the Force be with you.

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Codek
08.30.2012 , 11:59 AM | #2
You can save your combat logs and upload them to a parser (google swtor parser and you will find a handful), This in itself is basically a scoreboard for the end of a boss fight. There is also a variety of 3rd party programs that will implace an overlay onto your game window to show you in real time what you are doing if you prefer that sort of thing.
~Codek

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Mavery
08.30.2012 , 12:01 PM | #3
While I agree that some sort of in-game feature would be great, it's not something they're willing to do.

Before they make combat logs available, their initial stance against any sort of logs/meters was because they were concerned that players would be bullied and griefed for low numbers.

Silly? Yes. But that's where they stand.

Fortunately, with the introduction of combat logs, there are various third-party apps that will provide dps/threat/heal meters for personal and group use.

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Salips
08.30.2012 , 12:46 PM | #4
Save logs, upload, 3rd pt programs... no, it's waste of time that i don't have.
I just want simple frame with dps / heal / threat. BW can u make that?
People with low numbers = The biggest problem is fact, that these people don't know that they dps / heal / skill are low. Recount frames make them know, and mobilize to learn to be more effective.
I think this feature will look like comparising numbers and learing from each other. Sure, some people will kick weaker players, but this happen all time.
May the Force be with you.

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Codek
08.30.2012 , 12:54 PM | #5
If you don't have the determination to become a better player with the use of 3rd party tools, then you are just lazy. DPS meters are not an essential tool to play this game (it's not even essential for being a good raider) and thus not a set requirement for BW to create. They met raiders half way by giving them the basics of what they need to parse the information. If you choose not to use what is given then so be it.
~Codek

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Mavery
08.30.2012 , 01:13 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Salips View Post
Save logs, upload, 3rd pt programs... no, it's waste of time that i don't have.
I just want simple frame with dps / heal / threat. BW can u make that?
People with low numbers = The biggest problem is fact, that these people don't know that they dps / heal / skill are low. Recount frames make them know, and mobilize to learn to be more effective.
I think this feature will look like comparising numbers and learing from each other. Sure, some people will kick weaker players, but this happen all time.
Really?

It takes 1 minute to download and install the program.

It takes 30 seconds to launch it and enter the group registration code (so you can see your whole groups information).

It takes 30 seconds to upload a log to a parsing website.

You don't have 2 minutes before a raid to get this done?

I'm with you on a BW implemented meter, but now you're just being silly.

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Pancakes
08.30.2012 , 02:55 PM | #7
Their combat logs takes space on my drive that is limited

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Mavery
08.30.2012 , 03:05 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Pancakes View Post
Their combat logs takes space on my drive that is limited
My log for my guild's full clear of EC HM + NMP + three ranked matches took up 5,356 KB (or 5.22 megabytes).

Somehow I think you can fit them in.

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alifaraaz
08.30.2012 , 03:38 PM | #9
The third party tools such as MoX Desktop Parser and SWMoniTOR are actually very easy to use, take couple of minutes to download.
Kazar - Powertech, [Tomb of Freedom Nadd EU]

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Vankris
08.31.2012 , 12:44 AM | #10
about meters

are they necessary?
there are not, there are certainly dozens of guild clearing HM EC without ever looking at a meters, real time or post raid. And those who does, probably did not get much information they wouldn't have get from doing the fight.


Could it be useful? yes certainly, there are still information to be gain from a real time meter.
- lack of heal on a tank, maybe a healer did not understood his assignment
- some dps didn't switch on add, maybe strat is not understood.
- death log, what killed me (the last hit is not always relevant)
- there are so many player out there that believe strongly there are doing a good job, are great player while in reality, aren't performing that good. An actual monitor of there performance would help them improve.

Is it fun? without a doubt. Maybe it's just me, maybe you make your own fun, but for me, seeing that my damage is good, competitive, maybe i'm not first, it depends on class and task assigned in raid, but seeing that i'm doing good, i am a good team player, that's fun.

Can it be abused? Sadly yes. But more often than not, the abuse is somewhat justified.
For instance, with real meter, it would be easy to identify who break crowd control, who never dispell anguish, who break the shield generator, who didn't kick the overload. It would be easy to see the player die from hitting zorn while under the fearful debuff. And yes, you would be seeing who is lacking dps.

A good raid leader would weight the task asked to the player with its actual performance. For instance, the dps in charge of kiting the electric dome on the tank boss, couldn't have as much dps as the static dps.



in summary. Is it necessary, NO, would it bring fun to the player, adding a competitive layer to raiding, YES.
does the positive it brings outshine the negative from the misuse, that a subjective view. IMO, it should be implemented.
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