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A Letter to Bioware - Regarding Cheating in PvP and Ways to Discourage it.

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A Letter to Bioware - Regarding Cheating in PvP and Ways to Discourage it.

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Helistin
08.25.2012 , 12:30 AM | #11
After the recent fiasco at Canderous Ordo the present policy is that cheating is accepted.
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silvershadows
08.25.2012 , 01:44 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Helistin View Post
After the recent fiasco at Canderous Ordo the present policy is that cheating is accepted.
Explain please? I don't often read the forums other than glancing at the Fan Fic forums to see if any non-smut has been posted or if anyone's read my stuff. I prefer to do my research on other websites and in game itself, I just grew so tired of seeing the poor sportsmanship and friends/acquaintances either quitting the game entirely or quitting level 50 pvp that I finally came here to say something.

If it's not something you're supposed to discuss on the forums, feel free to send me a private message
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CRNphg
08.25.2012 , 04:01 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by silvershadows View Post
I'm sorry, but watching a powertech who is snared speed away from me at faster than ataru run speed AND transcendence (nowhere near a run speed power-up, thank you very much) is not lag or packet loss between me and the server. It is a speedhack.
Ok let's summerize. PT's hyrdaulic-overrides = 8 seconds of immunity to slows/roots/stuns + 30% movement increase. Throw a mara's predation in there 50% for 10 seconds and you've got yourself a bloody fast PT for 8-10 seconds. Maybe a few slows on you. Cause PT's like slows. I'd say this can be easily explained without cheats.
We could even add another 20% for 3 seconds from a sorc healers bubble.

I haven't seen anything since pre-release from which I could say without a doubt that it was a cheat. Nothing.
But them again maybe i'm just lucky and the players on my server don't bother with them.
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loftethered
08.25.2012 , 04:18 AM | #14
imp marauder on ramp close to end zone yesterday, vanishes with ball (i thought he must of threw it before using camo) then reappears to score a few seconds later still carrying the ball. (while we are looking around for the ball and player....)

Sorry but it is hacking, killing pvp in this game. must be far more frustrating for ranked warzone peeps..

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RGMetal
08.25.2012 , 05:52 AM | #15
Before the server merges, I got "reported" by a Sorc for hacking (immune to damage). Resilience was confusing to them, I guess, and I got a good laugh about it. Never contacted by Bioware.

I wouldn't lose so many damn matches if I was hacking, that's for sure! LOL

Now, on the Ebon Hawk, one sith guild is constantly spamming "guild of a known cheater/hacker" in /say during warzones. I've played with most of my guildmates since launch, in and out of the same guild, and with/against in WZs, and I've never seen anyone cheating or hacking. Typically I laugh at people who call hacking at me, it's ridiculous. )(Nevermind that over half my guild quit when F2P was announced.)

There are some very very bad PuGs on Ebon Hawk, on both sides. People wearing PvE gear. People not watching nodes. People trying to 1v1 all the time, etc. The least of my worries are cheats and hacks.

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Totaltrash
08.26.2012 , 04:22 AM | #16
I support the OP.

The new cheater FOTM are programs like netlimiter:
Creating artificial lag to prevent damage, avoid cc, and glitch away from certain death.

Sofware like that used to be mostly a PVE cheat - glitch by tough mobs without having to fight them etc.
But now it is frequently used in PVP because it's hard to prove that it is actually a hack.
Many inexperienced or unaware players will never even notice what happened or chalk it up to a lagspike.
So it's low risk and high reward for the cheater.

To my knowledge, Bioware's only "preventive" measure is that they will delete this post and/or thread.
As if being hush-hush about it will make the problem somehow go away.

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silvershadows
08.28.2012 , 12:39 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by CRNphg View Post
Ok let's summerize. PT's hyrdaulic-overrides = 8 seconds of immunity to slows/roots/stuns + 30% movement increase. Throw a mara's predation in there 50% for 10 seconds and you've got yourself a bloody fast PT for 8-10 seconds. Maybe a few slows on you. Cause PT's like slows. I'd say this can be easily explained without cheats.
We could even add another 20% for 3 seconds from a sorc healers bubble.

I haven't seen anything since pre-release from which I could say without a doubt that it was a cheat. Nothing.
But them again maybe i'm just lucky and the players on my server don't bother with them.
We were the only ones around, I had no slows on myself, the guy was actually pretty terrible and would have easily died had he not gone running off at mach 10. I know cheating when I see it
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Soulwretch
09.01.2012 , 04:33 PM | #18
Ive done the same and played most online games that have ever come out and there are hackers in all of them for awhile i agree with all steps put forward that is a good way to make things start working but it seems bioware is actively correcting things like easy access to datacrons by the casual solo er and other very unimportant junk they go so far as accuse someone reporting a bug as lying its a great tactic if you work for another company.

at 50 the game is destroyed ive seen more hacks with 50 warzones than at any other level a half geared stooge runs in and 6 fully geared pvp vets charge him at the beginning the stooge takes them all down and his hitpoint barely go half way down and that isnt a cause for any kind of investigation yes reylon on the baragan colony server just kick back its not like bio ware will fix this soon enough to recover from anyone that enjoys playing a fair match of pvp

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Leiralei
09.01.2012 , 06:48 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by CRNphg View Post
I haven't seen anything since pre-release from which I could say without a doubt that it was a cheat. Nothing.
Without any doubt? I've seen a lot on my server, first Vrook now Bergeren, that could be hacks or could be bugs. But it seems bugs happen wearing the same guild tags much more frequently.

Always sad when you play the other side and find out someone you looked up to is uninterruptable, and isn't a commando specced for shield or someone with cover mechanic... or people you thought were amazing because they score so much somehow "disappear" with the ball.

Or in the 50 crowd, people boasting about how good they and their guild are took part in Ilum kill trading... these were my heroes.
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TrumpetNut
09.05.2012 , 05:39 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by silvershadows View Post
(For those who don't want to read the whole thing, I have highlighted my ideas in a different color so you can find them quickly.)

Dear BioWare,

Before I start, I would just like to thank you for the efforts you have made to bring us an enjoyable game set in the Star Wars universe. Though it has it's problems like any other MMORPG, Star Wars: The Old Republic has thoroughly entertained me with it's storylines and gameplay.

However, as a person who cut her teeth in MMO's on the pvp-centric Dark Age of Camelot, playing for many hardcore eight versus eight RvR guilds, the main enjoyment I get out of any MMO is from player versus player combat. Though I find the pvp in SW:ToR to be more balanced than the pvp in World of Warcraft, there is a problem which is plaguing level 50 warzones, and to an extent their lower-level counterparts.

That problem is cheating and hacking. While I have always disliked MMO players who "cry hacks" every time they lose, the issue has become so rampant that most anyone other than those who willingly turn a blind eye can see it. Speedhacking, teleport hacking/map hacks, invisibility, and short-term invulnerability are all things that I have personally witnessed on multiple occasions. This may not even cover the whole gamut of hacks available.

I know that some players have been banned, but this has not served to discourage other players from following in their footsteps. I therefore propose the following actions which may help to lower the overall instances of cheating while at the same time causing would-be cheaters to think twice before they do.

1) Once a week or once a month, depending on the amount of cheaters banned, publicly post a "Cheater/Hacker Report." This would be a forum post which tells us the number of cheaters who have been ejected from the game in the past week or month. Understandably, privacy concerns and game policies prevent you from telling us who they are, but you could still tell us how many have been banned. This would let us know that you are actively policing the game - something many MMO's fail to do, which then causes people to wonder if Game Masters are policing it at all, or if all their tickets are just ignored.

2) Have a GM or two enter random warzones and actively monitor for cheating. If they choose warzones entirely at random, at random times and intervals, players will never know when the warzone they are in also contains a Game Master. These warzone monitors, however, should make their presence known once every great while so that players are aware that the possibility exists. This will help to "nip it in the bud" - players will be far less likely to cheat when they know that there could be somebody watching who could take all of their characters away.

3) When banning a player for cheating in pvp, ban them permanently. Show no mercy, give no quarter. These people are making your game less enjoyable for your legitimate players who are looking to have a good time. Even players on the same side as the cheaters feel a little miffed - their wins mean nothing because they were gotten via cheating. Don't just ban an account name, either. Ban their credit card, too. Ban anyone with that address or phone number. Show no mercy.

In closing, I would just like to reiterate once more that I am grateful that SW:ToR exists, as it has let me explore my favorite fantasy universe and walk in the heavy boots of a Mandalorian warrior. I have been able to explore the dry wastes of Tatooine and tread upon the soil of Alderaan. I love this game, and as a player who will be eternally grateful to have been able to experience it, I plead with you - please do something about all the cheating in warzones.

Thank you,
An MMO Veteran since 2003


PS - Trolls will not be fed.
LOL!!!!! This is hilarious. No offense but you must really suck at your class to make such a big "cheater post."
All of the things that you call "speed hacking" are actually ABILITIES!