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Vote Kicking in Group Finder Flashpoints, Make it 3 votes

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Vote Kicking in Group Finder Flashpoints, Make it 3 votes

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Acegi
08.20.2012 , 08:07 PM | #1
I can't recall the number of times I've seen this system being abused; it's absolutely ridiculous.

For example,

I just join a flashpoint half way through and the tank and healer are just arguing and typing garbage into the chat and then the healer leaves. A new healer joins and now the tank and other DPS are still typing garbage into the chat and I really don't have a clue what they're talking about and then suddenly "You have been vote kicked reason: stupid". I think it was something about going through the exhaustion zone in battle of ilum and the fact they skipped some bosses or something but whatever it was about was no reason to cast a vote kick on me which only requires 1 more vote before I'm gone.

Countless other times I see vote kicks on people for just stupid reasons such as someone accidently pulls a mob, someone doesn't want to skip a boss which literally takes under a minute to kill anyway (cause it drops a daily commendation and some decent loot). Sometimes you just get really aggressive and angry people in your group where if everything doesn't go exactly how they want it to go, you're gone and it only takes one other idiot in your group to vote. I've seen vote kicks where I've voted NO and they still get kicked anyway.

Just thought I'd edit in some more examples that I've seen vote kicks for to really make my point:

- In collicoid war game if a player gets on the cannon before everyone gets into the flashpoint and causes a wipe, they may not know any better and may have never done the flashpoint before. Politely give them a warning and get on with it. If your tolerance is really that low then you shouldn't even be playing an MMO
- In Directive 7, when you get up to the 3 droids, if you kill the orange shielded one before you kill the non-shielded one, it will cause the blue shielded droid to become immune. If a player does not know any better then simply explain to them what they need to know and get on with it.
- In KUS when you get to the cannon part, you can jump onto some of your surroundings and make all the mobs evade. If someone in your group does not want to do this, then I think that's fair. Exploiting the game mechanics to get past that fight with ease was not intended and if a player does not want to do it this way then I don't see why they should have to.
- In collicoid war game I was doing the puzzle part where you have to work together fighting the droids and clicking the terminals to get to the next area. I was the healer and unlocked a barrier which the tank and 1 DPS ran to. There was an elite droid (gold star) behind it. The tank tells me to come with him to kill it and I ask him why since he's already got a DPS there to help him and I get vote kicked for "being a monkey" because I simply asked him why he wanted it that way. Him and the other DPS are more than enough to take on the elite droid. Don't get me wrong, I didn't refuse to do it, I was actually walking to there to help him, kicked anyway.
- I was in a group in the boarding party flashpoint with a stealther and pulled one really small mob which we could have technically stealthed past and he goes crazy, vote kick, gone.
- A player in your group refuses to go through the exhaustion zone in battle of ilum. Sorry but skipping pretty much everything by exploiting the exhaustion zone was not intended, if a player does not want to do it this way they shouldn't have to. From my experience with this, all I've seen by the group trying to do it this way is a ton of deaths from the exhaustion zone killing people over and over.

TL: DR
What this system NEEDS is for everyone in the group to vote before they are kicked (excluding the person actually being kicked of course), not just the initial vote kicker and one idiot.

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lazyax
08.21.2012 , 01:47 AM | #2
not sure if this is that big of a deal since you wouldnt want to play with the idiot votekickers anyways. ive had similar situations and just shrugged them off, q'd up again and usually im with a much nicer friendlier group in no time.

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Karkais
08.21.2012 , 02:15 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by lazyax View Post
not sure if this is that big of a deal since you wouldnt want to play with the idiot votekickers anyways.
I would say it will become more common than people think if devs implement it, meaning lots of trouble for lone players who aren't very good at the game or don't have great gear (the stupidest reason ever to kick unless its a tier 2 instance, yet I'm willing to bet real money some ADHD kids will vote to kick those people regardless)

I say no to votekicking. Its asked basically only by people who think themselves better than others, for one.
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vojinsa
08.21.2012 , 02:28 AM | #4
just put ppl on ignore and be done with them. when i see a que pop i scan to the tanks name and wait to see if they make it to the FP. if they drop group then i put them on ignore (12 now) and move on. if bw allowed /ignore to include legacy less tanks/healers would stop turning on dbag mode.
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SmartJoy
08.21.2012 , 03:04 AM | #5
Vote Kicking is a necessary thing, though some definitley take advatage of it. I assume the main reason it was introduced is to kick off the person who got disconnected an never bothers to leave the group. In this case you get left with only 3 members and cannot complete the mission.

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ROSHOLM
08.21.2012 , 03:21 AM | #6
Maybe I havent done enough group finder queues(guessing I've done around 30-40) but I have yet to see votekick failing to do its job or seen it abused.

A quick list of things I have initiated or approved votekick for:

* A dps dies randomly in FE, has to run back. 5 minutes later the rest of the group have cleared to the next boss and he is still in fleet. When asked why he wasn't running he said "Im omw".

* Some dude pressing need on every single item(including bossdrops for other classes)

* A guy says "we are doing the optional boss", the other 3 members say "no". Guy goes ahead and pulls a bunch of trash we intended to skip, dies and starts cursing.

Of course, in these scenarios getting three people on board with a vote kick doesnt seem unreasonable so perhaps OP is right. I just have yet to see it abused, though.

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mikebevo
08.21.2012 , 06:41 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by SmartJoy View Post
In this case you get left with only 3 members and cannot complete the mission.
Did HM Directive 7 3 man the other night after the tank dropped and have done at least 4 others 3 man always without the tank. Of course these have been always without the tank on my healer. My wookiee is full Rakata so pretty much better geared than many Tank I have gotten in group finder. Pretty sure it would work for DPS too since Risha is even better geared than my wookiee.

So far I have not seen it abused either.

Only seen it done 3 times,

1. Tank dropped waited 10 mins and kicked.

2. Shadow signed up as a Tank was not a Tank (dps in dps gear). Thinking this was a bug.

3. Healer that refused to heal, but played as dps without the damage part.

I've seen more tanks drop after not getting the drop they wanted.

None of these made my ignore list. There are only two ways to make my ignore list 1) those that belittle others. There is a right way and a wrong way to tell people they are doing it wrong and someone one that moaning about every little thing a new 50 does for 1/2 the FP is doing it the wrong way. If you stop fighting to moan in the middle of the battle, then you are doing it the wrong way. You can abuse me...I don't care, but when you abuse others you make my list for all my toons including my healer.

2) Tanks that drop after a boss battle when they don't get the drop they wanted. Again not that big a deal to me when I on my healer, but on my DPS alts it is. However, they make all my ignore list.

I say majority should rule. 4 people in a group, it should take 3 votes if you assume the person being booted would vote no.

I by no means haven't gotten into a group where I didn't wanted to kick someone or quit myself. However, once I hit group finder I am committed to getting that group through, no matter its make up. I'm also willing to skip or fight anything in the FP depending on what the group wants to do.

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Atramar
08.21.2012 , 06:57 AM | #8
Nah, 2 votes is fine. If 2 people want to kick you for some silly reason, you dont want to be with them any ways. I got kicked 2 times just becose I'm Assasin tank and they think they sucked (full black hole stuff beside weapon hilt, customized for max tanking stats, not max hp so have only 23500 hp)
healer ended in block list. better for me, wont land with him any more, and don't care of what dps thinks.

Other night I had healer who said he wont heal this group (my jugg tank and 2 maras).. 3 vote kick would be waste o 2 seconds since he refused to leave party (15 min lock out). (ignored list too)
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Acegi
08.21.2012 , 07:27 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
Nah, 2 votes is fine. If 2 people want to kick you for some silly reason, you dont want to be with them any ways. I got kicked 2 times just becose I'm Assasin tank and they think they sucked (full black hole stuff beside weapon hilt, customized for max tanking stats, not max hp so have only 23500 hp)
healer ended in block list. better for me, wont land with him any more, and don't care of what dps thinks.

Other night I had healer who said he wont heal this group (my jugg tank and 2 maras).. 3 vote kick would be waste o 2 seconds since he refused to leave party (15 min lock out). (ignored list too)
Yes, sure you wouldn't want to be in a group with 2 idiots anyway, but if you're playing a DPS role and have waited over 20 minutes or more for a queue, you're willing to take whatever you get rather than waiting another 20 minutes.

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Atramar
08.21.2012 , 07:53 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Acegi View Post
Yes, sure you wouldn't want to be in a group with 2 idiots anyway, but if you're playing a DPS role and have waited over 20 minutes or more for a queue, you're willing to take whatever you get rather than waiting another 20 minutes.
I see your point. If I have to wait 9 seconds on my tank, I relog on my healer.... not patient one am I.
if those two will want to kick you, they may either refuse healing you / taunting off you, stop doing anything until you quit or make 3rd person join vote kick.

Remember, f2p is coming, and we will have more muppets there. One day, You may want to kick some player in greens L 25 who is marked as healer, dps spec, and pulling aggro on random avoidable mobs, just for funs.
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