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ripster
08.22.2012 , 11:49 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I feel it NEEDS to be included in the sub fee because they need SOME carrot to dangle to the F2P people before asking for both $15 AND whatever the 'expansion' would cost. If they don't bait F2P people with Makeb, they'll never sell F2P people on a sub fee...there'd just be no advantage to paying one.
Only if you think the purpose of F2P is to lure people into subs. Which I don't think that is the case. Of course they want more subs, but as someone who has spent more money on some F2P games than I ever would have had they remained sub only, there is a con to using stuff as a carrot for subbing: what happens when I unsub? If I am paying $15 a month just to access Makeb and whatever comes with it, if after 3 months I don't want to sub anymore, I lose Makeb and whatever comes with it. I'm pretty sure that, even if Makeb was $45 (and please let that be an overestimate) I'd be further ahead sticking F2P and paying for it outright. Now, I think access to content is a good perk, but I think it fails if you try to make it the focus. I think it is more useful for retaining subs.

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Mallorik
08.22.2012 , 11:59 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by ripster View Post
Only if you think the purpose of F2P is to lure people into subs. Which I don't think that is the case. Of course they want more subs, but as someone who has spent more money on some F2P games than I ever would have had they remained sub only, there is a con to using stuff as a carrot for subbing: what happens when I unsub? If I am paying $15 a month just to access Makeb and whatever comes with it, if after 3 months I don't want to sub anymore, I lose Makeb and whatever comes with it. I'm pretty sure that, even if Makeb was $45 (and please let that be an overestimate) I'd be further ahead sticking F2P and paying for it outright. Now, I think access to content is a good perk, but I think it fails if you try to make it the focus. I think it is more useful for retaining subs.
Sub people better hope that they are trying to lure the f2p people into paying for a sub, the other model is horrible and counts on making people who pay for the game pay much more than the normal sub fee per month to make up for all the f2p people.

As far as paying for content, i have no problem paying for actual expansions as a subbed player.

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Andryah
08.22.2012 , 12:15 PM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
Sub people better hope that they are trying to lure the f2p people into paying for a sub, the other model is horrible and counts on making people who pay for the game pay much more than the normal sub fee per month to make up for all the f2p people.

As far as paying for content, i have no problem paying for actual expansions as a subbed player.
There is plenty of sound research (I've linked it in the past in the forums) now that demonstrates the average free-player will drop as much, if not more, cash per month on a game compared to if they subscribe. The game companies (from mobile gaming, through PC gaming) have tapped into a psychology that is common in the consumer base. So no, they don't need to design their dual access model to draw non-subs in as subs. They just need to support both audiences and let the audience sort out personal preference.

It's a different style of player/consumer, and it is growing (primarily via learned behavior in the mobile smartphone market) faster then classic subscriptions player base. So a dual access model makes good busines sense. It's low hanging fruit for companies right now.
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Kraith
08.22.2012 , 12:35 PM | #214
Well, lets just hope most of the gear will be cosmetic with open modable slots. Even with a sub still active, i would pay a few extra $$$ for cosmetic gear.

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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 02:09 PM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I wasn't implying it was pointless to make your opinion on the matter known, I fully support, both your stance on Makeb, and your right to voice your opinion. But...you're going beyond stating your opinion on Makeb and accusing Bioware of vile practices that they haven't engaged in (yet).

I FULLY understand your concern and I share your thoughts on Makeb. I feel it NEEDS to be included in the sub fee because they need SOME carrot to dangle to the F2P people before asking for both $15 AND whatever the 'expansion' would cost. If they don't bait F2P people with Makeb, they'll never sell F2P people on a sub fee...there'd just be no advantage to paying one.

While I agree with your concern and share your opinion, I think you're going overboard in your chastising of Bioware on this and your arguing for getting Makeb for free in the wrong way. They don't just owe it to you because you bought the game...however, I do feel they owe it to people who PAY for their sub.




I haven't said they've done anything yet - they haven't.

I'm saying they are thinking about doing - which they are (they have said so).
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 02:10 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthOvertone View Post
No it isn't. Pay-to-Win (P2W) is products only available in the game shop for real $$$ that give a player an advantage over another player which cannot be acquired through normal gameplay. Examples from LOTRO (and they are numerous) would be Stat Tomes, Store Pots (Healing/Power), and Store Buff Scrolls.
Yes it is. If you can buy raid gear it's still P2W even if it's just used for PvE.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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NasherUK
08.22.2012 , 02:21 PM | #217
This smells a lot like pay to win. In which case, the game will be dead by this time next year.

EA will never learn.

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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 02:40 PM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by ripster View Post
I addressed that. Gear progression. Raiding is gear progression. If you just buy the gear... well you beat the game, right? Still, raiding is where the real competitiveness starts, not leveling through the class stories.
But you didn't beat the game-there will always be a new raid coming out. So those people will have to keep paying, thereby increasing the cash flow.

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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 02:48 PM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post

They have also said they will do content releases on a more regular basis (six weeks), and that such content will continue to be free to subscribers. They have not yet said if said content will be free to non-subscribers.

What is unknown, until they tell us definitively (as opposed to just sharing thing they are "thinking about") is how Makeb and a few other large content moves will be released to subscribers. And what is unknown is are they making it now part of a much large set of content that meets generally accepted standards for MMOs to qualify as a paid expansion product. We don't yet, so you constantly making sweeping statements of speculation and presenting is at fact is inaccurate and inappropriate.
So they have access to what updates since the game went live-2 raids and a warzone (maybe 3 by Nov)? Raids that freebie players can't access at all so they're not missing anything? They can't decide if HK and Makeb will be out before the f2p switch-which would conveniently exclude them from any grandfathering. Hell, even if Makeb is released before November there may be a cost to subscribers regardless.

So what is the large set of content-a string of DLC with included costs?

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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 02:50 PM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by ripster View Post
If you drop your sub now, you lose access to everything. I don't know how you still don't get that. F2P is a new option, and it is free. Right now, free gets you nothing. After F2P, free gets you a lot more. You really think it makes sense to add F2P and let every subscriber switch to free and keep everything? Who would keep a sub?
Raiders? Pvpers? Let's see just how vital those cliques are to an MMO-beyond their inflated perceptions.
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