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You will have to demonstrate this to be a truism because all indication argues to the contrary.

Except that's exactly what they did in LOTRO, once it went F2P you suddenly didn't lose access to most of the content you had access too before.

New accounts had to buy all that, of course.

Bioware EA is basically treating accounts that bought the game on release, paid 12 months of subs (by F2P) as exactly the same as accounts that will be created on Nov 1st (or whenever).

Plus if you buy the Makeb adventure pack as a paying sub under the new F2P rules, do you then keep full access to it if you go F2P? Or do you get limited access to it, just like you do the orginal content you bought with the orginal boxed game? Again having to buy it again to use it with F2P.

Indeed.

I suspect it will be like DCUO and City of Heroes and others. Subscribers will get all the new story for free, but it will be sold in packs for F2P players.

There's dead and there dead though.


And yet with LOTRO when it went F2P you still had full access to SoA and MoM and SoM (if you had already bought them). Using the SWTOR model you'd only have had limited access to the majority of them, and no access to some parts of them.



And again going back to Makeb; you buy it under the new F2P rules, you have a sub and obivously full access to what you bought. Now you let your sub drop to a F2P account......... do you have full access to the Makeb adventure pack you bought? Or do you only have limited access (and possibly no access to parts) unless you buy it again in the cashshop to unlock those parts for a F2P account?

There was no sub-option in that game, correct? Therefore there would be no reason for them not to do so. This game has two options. What it seems that you are trying to do here is to drop to the FTP model and still maintain everything that you had with your subscription.

You are not being charged twice if you do so. What you are attempting to do here is to double dip without regard to the consequences left to those that maintain their sub and mask your argument under the guise of "being charged twice". If that is the intent, then it is very twisted logic.

There's a F2P P2W MMORGP game that has a vibrant lower level crafting market dispite them selling at least blue quality levelling gear and weapons?

Then by all means name it!

Is W0W selling their Panda pack or is that included in the monthly fee?

If I have access to it as a subscriber, all the better! If I need to pay for an expansion, I assume I'll be allowed to buy it with 'Cartel Coins', which, as a subscriber, I would hope that would offset my cost enough that I feel like I'm being rewarded for my loyalty of paying a monthly fee.

The reality is, they won't be able to sell ONE warzone. I won't buy it and I think I'm a fairly 'normal' consumer. If they release a WZ pack with like 5, sure...I can see paying a small fee for those. Ask CoD how poorly selling small map packs works out. When only 50% of the players buy it, the new maps go unused, and the people who purchased the new maps are stuck in the old map rotation still...as more and more map packs release, the population and value of those maps falls sharply.

The question isn't what is WoW doing now.

The question is whether WoW would do what LOTRO did or what SWTOR seems to be doing, if it too went "F2P".

Now, what you could argue is that this will damage their potential to tap both markets and gain back old subscribers under the FTP model, because I tend to doubt that the players returning and willing to try the FTP option would do so if they had to buy back all of the past content and access to that past content.

That last part is speculation on my part but it seems logical.

I thought LotRO *did* start selling stat gear about a year ago...or at least they were going to. Did forum rage cancel that out? It was only going to be up to level 20ish gear, but they certainly planned on selling stat gear. IIRC DDO sells stat gear too, but again IIRC not endgame stat gear.

I really can't see that many people dropping $5-20 every couple of days for a new set of leveling blues. I will never buy stat gear, because I craft my own *and* I think it would be a waste of money, but I really don't have a problem with green or blue leveling gear being sold as long as it isn't better than crafted blues.

Crafters tend to price themselves out of the market, which is the reason I started crafting in the first place. There's not much of a vibrant market for low level gear in *any* MMO I've played, except DAoC for Thidranki BG level toons, but they were all twinks paying level 50 gear prices anyway. REAL level 24 players couldn't afford those prices.