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08.22.2012 , 08:44 AM | #161
All f2p games with sub options give new content patches for free for the subs (expansion packs cost, but thats to be expected).

If TOR really wants to charge for contentpatches I guess they can really close their offices. But they didn't look at the other games when it came to implement features (groupfinder, crossserver wzs etc), so why should they look at other item shops and see how it actually works...Kinda sad.
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08.22.2012 , 08:44 AM | #162
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If you drop your sub now, you lose access to everything. I don't know how you still don't get that. F2P is a new option, and it is free. Right now, free gets you nothing. After F2P, free gets you a lot more. You really think it makes sense to add F2P and let every subscriber switch to free and keep everything? Who would keep a sub?
Because that's not what I'm saying.

When LOTRO went F2P all the stuff people had access too they kept access too (they didn't suddenly have limited access to SoA or MoM or SoM content).

New stuff had to be bought and new accounts had to buy most everything, but those accounts that HAD bought things and subbed kept what they had access too (content-wise).



It's not even clear if you have a sub and buy Makeb under F2P whether you'd keep full access to Makeb if you then dropped to F2P, dispite paying for Makeb in the first place. Or whether you'd have to pay again to access Makeb content under F2P.
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08.22.2012 , 08:47 AM | #163
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Because that's not what I'm saying.

When LOTRO went F2P all the stuff people had access too they kept access too (they didn't suddenly have limited access to SoA or MoM or SoM content).

New stuff had to be bought and new accounts had to buy most everything, but those accounts that HAD bought things and subbed kept what they had access too (content-wise).



It's not even clear if you have a sub and buy Makeb under F2P whether you'd keep full access to Makeb if you then dropped to F2P, dispite paying for Makeb in the first place. Or whether you'd have to pay again to access Makeb content under F2P.
New books were free for subs in LOTRO as well. Expansion packs not, but the content patches following f2p didn't cost us subscribers a single Turbine point. You had full access to everything. As it should be.
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08.22.2012 , 08:49 AM | #164
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When LOTRO went F2P all the stuff people had access too they kept access too (they didn't suddenly have limited access to SoA or MoM or SoM content).
That's actually not true. If it was true by the way, nobody would continue to subscribe becasue they had access to everything for free under a grandfather clause. That is simply not true.

SOME things were grandfathered in, and even today if you sub for one month SOME things are grandfathered to your account for life in LoTRO.
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08.22.2012 , 08:50 AM | #165
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Well, at least you used the word "if" this time, rather then presenting it as fact.

If he sun does not come up tomorrow, there will be no sunshine.

Freemium models change crafting dynamics, they don't kill crafting, and also do not kill materials markets. I made way more gold in LoTRO AFTER it went Freemium, just selling mats. Even today, mats sell well, even low level mats.
There is no doubt that selling blue gear and weapons will utterly destroy the crafting market.

There is no "if" about that, just whether they are silly enough to do it or not.


Interestingly with LOTRO it again shows the selling creep, first no stat gear (for a long time) then stat gear (with "no intention to sell raid gear at this time"). Of course eventually they'll likely sucumb to that as well.
And bare in mind Turbine held out pretty well, and weren't controlled by WB from the off, where as EA already has prior form for P2W.
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08.22.2012 , 08:50 AM | #166
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We are effectively being charged TWICE.

When LOTRO went F2P all the content you'd already had access too you kept access too, that is NOT what they are talking about with SWTOR.

It's frankly terrible that people that bought the full price box, paid 9-12 months of subscriptions are basically just going to get a few cartel coins for their loyalty to the game.

Nevermind that content dangled as a free subscription carrot is not being mooted as having to be paid for as well.
Where your argument falls apart is that, as of right now, before F2P, you still MUST pay your $15 a month to access EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.

Asking the same once the game goes F2P, doesn't mean you're being charged twice...the deal is actually better than what you originally bought...not that I'm for F2P, I'm not...but your argument is full of holes.
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08.22.2012 , 08:51 AM | #167
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That's actually not true. If it was true by the way, nobody would continue to subscribe becasue they had access to everything for free under a grandfather clause. That is simply not true.

SOME things were grandfathered in, and even today if you sub for one month SOME things are grandfathered to your account for life in LoTRO.
All content you had access to you still have access too, if that is not true then what was taken away?
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08.22.2012 , 08:52 AM | #168
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There is no doubt that selling blue gear and weapons will utterly destroy the crafting market.
Crafting is dead with F2P. That's what happens in every F2P game. There's no company stupid enough to allow players to craft things they can sell. If you're playing this game for crafting, find another game.
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08.22.2012 , 08:52 AM | #169
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Where your argument falls apart is that, as of right now, before F2P, you still MUST pay your $15 a month to access EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.

Asking the same once the game goes F2P, doesn't mean you're being charged twice...the deal is actually better than what you originally bought...not that I'm for F2P, I'm not...but your argument is full of holes.
You'd pay twice if you had to buy the small content patches in the future as a sub. Again, emptahize on content patch, not a full blown expansion pack you'd usually buy in the store (like cataclysm etc.).
Or would you pay as a sub for a new WZ, or a new planet? Something that in all other games you get for the monthly subscription fee?

I for one wouldn't.
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08.22.2012 , 08:54 AM | #170
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All content you had access to you still have access too, if that is not true then what was taken away?
*as long as you pay your mandated monthly fee.

I see nothing wrong with what they're saying with this...your arguing a flawed point. Right now, if I pay nothing, I have access to NOTHING! With F2p, I'll still be able to log in and chat and do random leveling.
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