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What content are they taking away from you and requiring you to buy back?

There is no crafting market. There is only a mat selling market....mostly because they listened to the vocal few that believe they know more then they do and insisted that crafting be "challenging" and "difficult" to the level of raiding. Currently you lose money crafting and make millions selling mats.

I disagree, as long as the cash shop is limited to blues, and if cash shop blues don't have expertise. It would probably still be cheaper to buy crafted blues on the GTN than to buy a full set of blues in the cash shop. It would certainly be cheaper to craft your own than to buy blues in the cash shop.

You shouldn't be PvPing in greens anyway, so I would actually enjoy the tears of people PvPing in green trash complaining about getting owned in PvP...again, assuming blue cash shop leveling gear doesn't have expertise.

OPs completely, and most everything else in a limited sense, if you go F2P after having been a subscriber for the first 12 month of the game being Live (in LOTRO they basically grandfathered all that in).


It's also not at all clear what happens if you buy and adventure pack like Makeb (ignoring that it was supposed to be free in the first place) as a subscriber and then drop to a F2P account.

Actually, everything they have said so far makes it sound exactly like the LoTRO/DDO (aka Turbine) model.

You are trying to argue about "grandfathering of access", and that is pointless as far as I am concerned because that is not core to the Freemium model. That is just people like you wanting eveything for free forever.

Once again, you are creating percetion that exists in your mind, but has not been presented by Bioware, and pitching it in the forum as though it is fact.

Non factual hyperbole.

They have in fact said that subsribers get access to ALL the same content that they had access to as a subscriber. Free players on the other hand do not.

They have also said they will do content releases on a more regular basis (six weeks), and that such content will continue to be free to subscribers. They have not yet said if said content will be free to non-subscribers.

What is unknown, until they tell us definitively (as opposed to just sharing thing they are "thinking about") is how Makeb and a few other large content moves will be released to subscribers. And what is unknown is are they making it now part of a much large set of content that meets generally accepted standards for MMOs to qualify as a paid expansion product. We don't yet, so you constantly making sweeping statements of speculation and presenting is at fact is inaccurate and inappropriate.

Are you asking to go free to play and maintain all of the content that you now have a subscriber?

If you drop your sub now, you lose access to everything. I don't know how you still don't get that. F2P is a new option, and it is free. Right now, free gets you nothing. After F2P, free gets you a lot more. You really think it makes sense to add F2P and let every subscriber switch to free and keep everything? Who would keep a sub?

There'll be no mat selling market either if there litterally is no crafting market at all.

I'm not convinced expertise has as much influence on the L1-49 game as just being well geared does, however if they are selling PvE blues on the cashshop then I see no reason why they wouldn't be selling PvP gear of a similar type too.

Whether you enjoy anyone's tears or not is neither here nor there, everyone has hobbies, but that doesn't mean someone's hobbies have anything to do with business, balance or sense.

No it isn't. The sub fee is for playing the existing game for another month. Free content updates are to keep people paying the sub fee by giving them more stuff to do.
If you're at the point where paying you sub fee is just to see what comes next, and not to play what's here now, then you're at the point where you should stop paying the sub fee. Because you don't have any say in or control over what new content gets made or what's done with it once that happens ... so don't pay for it until you know what you're getting.

Well, at least you used the word "if" this time, rather then presenting it as fact.

If he sun does not come up tomorrow, there will be no sunshine.

Freemium models change crafting dynamics, they don't kill crafting, and also do not kill materials markets. I made way more gold in LoTRO AFTER it went Freemium, just selling mats. Even today, mats sell well, even low level mats.