They are already discussing milking the subscribers

you mean just like what swtor did in the same lapse of time with less money coming from subs?

So you think subscribers will put with being nickel and dimmed in the future cos they've been treated so well in the past?

That's rather optimistic imo.

I agree with you, I personally quit DDO when it went FtP and I quit LoTRO after they introduced skirmishes (it went form a good MMO with everyone travelling the open world to get to instances and raids to people sitting around and teleporting into instances (it was still sub based on the Euro servers when I left).

I do particularly mind paying for an expansion, as a subscriber I've done that for years in EQ, but my sub had better give me far more content in that expansion than a FtP player.

Im just not seeing how this is different from wow.

And if the expansion is a small expansion it wont cost as much as a big wow expansion. I dont get the difference beetween paying less money for smaller and more frequent expansion then more money for bigger expansion that comes every couple year.

you dont pay for the smaller ones the only thing you have paid extra for in wow is

the burning crusade
wrath of the lich king
cataclysm
mists of pandara

everything else they have realised is part of the sub

Nomater what BW or you choose to call these "smaller and more frequent updates", they're still gonna be known as "content patches" in the bizz. Cos that's what they are. And no other mmo charges subscribers for content patches. If you don't think paying subscribers will notice or mind then I think you're sticking your head in the dune sea on tatooine.

And if the excuse is gonna be that "TOR won't do big expansions at all" then by god, that's just one more nail in the coffin.

I just don't get it how some can still try to spin "at best same ammount of content for more money" as a good thing.

They can't seriously expect subscribers to pay for that

But then again if they give it away free I suppose they will have to find a way of people not subbing for one month to get the content and then going F2P. Paid access restricts people from using it.

Although if they charge a premium to play the new content and the new levels, what exactly are the subscribers paying for? You're paying a sub and then a premium on top to play what is meant to be what the subscribers are paying for if there's only premium content after level 50 what's the point of paying a sub?

You know this MMO was completely mis-handled form the start. EA are a disgrace to gaming. I've already been burned with Battlefield 3 and i'm feeling increasingly ripped off with this MMO. I can only hope that Bioware chooses it's bedfellows more carefully in the future. I love Bioware games... but if there's any more carry on from them I won't be buying any more of their releases.

subjectivity is a hard thing to have these day..

and what if they broke each expansion in 3 and sold them at 1/3 of the price and they came 3 time faster.
jeez.

Crap legacy features at launch. 1.2 expands legacy. It was free.

No rated warzones and no group finder at launch. Stuff added completely from scratch for free.

Like many I don't mind F2P. It'll bring my friends to the game. But I seriously hope they remember those who have stuck with the game through all the troubles and doubts.