They are already discussing milking the subscribers

Well, you are exactly the type of player they like. Someone who doesn't question being charged extra for content even though they pay their monthly subscriber fee which is supposed to cover content updates.

if you dont like it dont buy it.

id rather spend more money for more content than little money for little content

There needs to be something more significant than unlimited wz/fp/ops and bag space/character slots to justify 15/month. No it's not much money but what's the point in paying for it if you aren't even getting the content updates included with it?

I really hope they realise that even tho they have a "hybrid" system their subscribers section will still get compared to other subscriber based games.

And subscribers don't pay extra for anything short of a full expansion. If TOR starts charging for what amounts to content patches in other subscription based games their subscription model will get (rightfully) branded as a ripoff and they can expect to alienate a lot of subscribers that stayed loyal so far.



It's also very cynical to claim you're going f2p cos of the "cash barrier in this day and age" and in the same breath be considering to charge even more to subscribers. What, cos we can afford 15$ a month it means we can get fleeced on top of that? I'll already be paying a subscription mainly for the privilege of not having the game as it is atm gutted, but you'll charge me on top of that for any meaningfull new stuff? I don't think any company ever treated their paying customers this badly till now...

I agree completely, if subscribers get charged for any content beyond a full expansion pack then whats the point in subscribing at all, may as well play for nothing and then buy the little bits you actually want to do.

If they do charge for Makeb and whatever that includes I think there will be yet another backlash from subscribers who have stuck with this so far but don't need to be pushed very far to think of cancelling.

You already paying the subscription why you do want to pay for a content patch.

It is not the expanision, i will not pay 15 euro for a freaking content patch since i already pay for sub.

The meaning of subs and if we are talking about free to play model here is that they have everything unlocked because they pay the freaking sub.

And the free to play guys need to pay for it since, real money or cartel points, they do not support the game as we do.

I can pay for an expansion but one freaking planet isn't a expansion, expsion is for example 10 planets with storylines, 2 or 3 new operation, 6-7 new flashes or more. THAT is a expansion, and not one planet.
I think you do not understand the value of money.

So my question to you is that, why is the point of being a subscriber if you do need to pay for every content patch.

The way I see it they have left themselves with a limited number of choices:

1) Paid expansion; everyone pays but the content has locks and limitations for the FtP players while the subs get full access.

2) Free expansion (the base game will be free for both new subs and FtP players) subs get full access FtP have to pay for each piece individually.

3) Paid expansion; everyone gets full access but all updates to that expansion have to be bought by the FtP players.

In my mind option 1 will not sell to the FtP crowd, option 2 will not sell to subscribers and will lose them subscription, while option 2 is fair. I don't see how they can charge for an expansion when the game will be a free download, subscribers won't put up with it.

You really do not get the point between pandaria and this new patch.

Pandaria is new continent like 5 or 6 zones, dungeons, new race, new animation ( and everythng ), new introduction, new dungeons, new raids.

Pandarians ( pandas ) are totally new race with new emotes, new voice, new casting animation. In sw tor every race have the same animation, it all depends on a class. So it really isn't the same.

The things that bioware is doing, would be like blizz would offer a patch but said that all subscribers had to pay additional money to use it.

You know ddo didn't have huge expansion packs and still is doing fine.

As sw tor player, i can understand paying for expansion = huge content patches, the difference between f2p player and subs players is that f2p player need to pay for content, and subs players should get everything free because they pay the sub.

As i had played both lotro and ddo, i know when being a subscriber i got all the content free and free access to all new content except expansions. And that is ok for me.

If bioware will not change, i think it means i will have to start playing guild wars 2, despite that i bought collectors edition for this game.

Hold up, since cata launched they patched up to 4.3 adding several dungeons and raids, a daily area, an event area, reworked heroic instances and introduced a bunch of features.

If they monetized all that like TOR is thinking of doing they'd charge their subscribers another expansions worth of money. I don't think their subscribers would put up with that, and I don't think they'll put up with it here.