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netskink
09.24.2012 , 11:50 AM | #421
Quote: Originally Posted by liammozz View Post
theres a big diffrence between a pay for xpac and monthly content relese

lets use good old faithful as an example

the burning crusade gave you

2 new races

a whole new planet with 6 zones (dont say makeb is the same its far from it. those 6 zones had the same content as 4-5 planets in the game now if not more)

10 more levels

new crafting professions

new battlegrounds

flying mounts

thats a xpac worth £35

now the sunwell platu had a raid a daily hub and a dungeon

thats a content patch worth the subs we have been paying

see the difference
FWIW, i played wow twice. I quit the first time about a week after BC was released. I then came back after lk was released. I played about 3 or 4 months at lvl 60 without the lk expansion simply because there was so much content in bc. Sadly when cata came out, i quit shortly afterwards.
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Kophar
09.24.2012 , 12:10 PM | #422
Quote: Originally Posted by Shoogli View Post
Look I'm not here to spit on SWTOR, I still like it a lot and still play it and still plan to play it, but this kind of post irks me a lot, so here I just fixed a "little" part for you just to show how blatantly "misinformed" you are, with bold being major content patches :



And that was just for the Vanilla period...
And it's the same thing for LOTRO that I've played a bit too, but I don't need to make a list as well...

For someone who claims such things as " facts are undeniable and unquestionable" or "No one can argument against facts" you sure have lost a lot of your spare time formatting a post that is a *BLATANT* misinfo.

If you are to compare patch vs patch and expansion vs expansion then YOU HAVE to take into account some of those above games content patch as well.

Facts huh ?

I've stopped playing WoW a couple years ago, am now playing SWTOR and enjoying it, but still : trying to hide the shallow side of some of SWTOR content patches, and the lack of content during some periods with this kind of disinfo above is only fueling the war between fanboys and haters.
Ok wiseass, here it goes as requested:

WoW content patches released in detail (The ones that count as content patches and/or expansions):

Vanilla Release - November 2004
1.2 - Mysteries of Maraudon - 18 December 2004
1.3 - Ruins of Diremaul - 7th March 2005
1.4 - The call of war - 8th April 2005
1.5 - Battlegrounds - 7th June 2005
1.6 - Assault on Blackwing Lair - 12th July 2005
1.7 - Rise of the blood god - 13 September 2005
1.8 - Dragons of Nightmare - 10 October 2005
1.9 - The Gates of An'quiraj - 03 January 2006
1.10 - Storms of Azeroth - 28 March 2006
1.11 - Shadow of Necropolis - 20 June 2006
1.12 - Drums of War - 22 August 2006
The Burning Crusade - 05 December 2006 (Expansion)
2.1 - The Black Temple - 22 May 2007
2.3 - The Gods of Zul'aman - 13 Novemeber 2007
2.4 - Fury of Sunwell - 25 March 2008
The Wrath of the Lich King - November 2008 (Expansion)
3.1 - Secrets of Ulduar - 14 April 2009
3.2 - Call of Crusade - 04 August 2009
3.3 - Fall of Lich King - 08 December 2009
Cataclysm - December 2010 (Expansion)
4.1 - Rise of the Zandalari - 26 April 2011
4.2 - Rage of Firelands - 28 June 2011
4.3 - Hour of Twilight - 29 November 2011
Mists of Pandaria - September 2012 (Expansion)

Average timeframe on new content release = every 4 months new content released.

As LOTRO is concerned i didnt had the patience to put them all in here since they are poorly described in wiki but ive made the math as well to all of the content patches/expansions released so far. So here it goes:

Average timeframe on new content release = every 4 months new content released.

The final conclusion is that Rift and SWTOR both have allready released 4 times more content in average than EQ2 and two times more content than WoW and LOTRO.
Again, i say, against facts there are no arguments. So, again, shut up and stop deluding swtor community about lack of released content.
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Andryah
09.24.2012 , 12:12 PM | #423
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
However the worry is that to existing in F2P SWTOR you'll even up paying a $15 a month "sub" AND still end up having to spend a lot in the cashshop too.

VIP account setups like LOTRO you don't have to....... or didn't orginally, but it has turned to something approaching that over time.
If they gave you no coin allowance with your monthly sub, I would agree with you. But just like in other fremium games, they have said they will give subs a coin allowance. Save your coins and get anything you want (not to mention the big bonus pile of coins for subscribing each month prior to freemium goes live.

Only the instant gratification gotta have it nao crowd who also subs will need to actually buy coins, seeing as nothing is required in the shop for a sub player. It's all fluffies and cosmetics for subs as far as we can tell. For free players, different story for sure.
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Urael
09.24.2012 , 12:14 PM | #424
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
If they gave you no coin allowance with your monthly sub, I would agree with you. But just like in other fremium games, they have said they will give subs a coin allowance. Save your coins and get anything you want (not to mention the big bonus pile of coins for subscribing each month prior to freemium goes live.

Only the instant gratification gotta have it nao crowd who also subs will need to actually buy coins, seeing as nothing is required in the shop for a sub player. It's all fluffies and cosmetics for subs as far as we can tell. For free players, different story for sure.
I hope you are correct but, if they go with the whole Lock Box thing .... straw meet camel's back.

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Andryah
09.24.2012 , 12:14 PM | #425
Quote: Originally Posted by Shoogli View Post
Before asking anyone to get their context right or googling anything you should first and foremost understand what they say and not answer completely off-topic and put whatever they didn't say in their mouth while at the same time starting your own speculation, the very same thing you advise people *not* to do in many many of your other posts.
I'd be happy to respond objectively to this complaint, IF you can provide anything objective or factual to actually respond to. You know... like something to objectively support your claim that I am off topic of the thread about "milking the subscribers".
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Andryah
09.24.2012 , 12:17 PM | #426
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
I hope you are correct but, if they go with the whole Lock Box thing .... straw meet camel's back.
Lock boxes are the biggest scam in MMOs IMO. It's MMO lottery.

Rather then buy keys, I sell the boxes unopened if they are sellable/tradable in the game. If not, and keys do not drop in game, I destroy them.

But then again, some people get a locked box and they just know there are 2 million credits inside with a full set of top tier raid gear.
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Eightus
09.24.2012 , 12:42 PM | #427
I agree with what most people are saying. If they make me pay for a content update(Makeb) then I am unsubbing and leaving the game, its just as simple as that really. As much as I love the story the game has provided me so far, I will quit. I will finish up the Imperial Agent storyline and then I am gone. And as someone else said before me, this is not a threat, after all i am just one of your many(wont be that many if you make us pay for a content update) subscribers. All I am saying is that I refuse to have my customer rights abused by a greedy company such as EA.

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Kophar
09.24.2012 , 12:45 PM | #428
Quote: Originally Posted by Eightus View Post
I agree with what most people are saying. If they make me pay for a content update(Makeb) then I am unsubbing and leaving the game, its just as simple as that really. As much as I love the story the game has provided me so far, I will quit. I will finish up the Imperial Agent storyline and then I am gone. And as someone else said before me, this is not a threat, after all i am just one of your many(wont be that many if you make us pay for a content update) subscribers. All I am saying is that I refuse to have my customer rights abused by a greedy company such as EA.
Tell me a name of 1 company of an MMO genre game (the ones that really we care about) that has thrown an expansion and not asked for players to buy them, please do that cause i really want to know.
The only game so far that havent asked money for expansions is EVE, no other company added expansions to their MMO's without asking for money.
LOTRO also have a kinda freemium model for expansions in the cashshop but they do ask for money for their expansions as well, so honestly, not seeing any game outhere (again, apart from EVE) that havent asked for money on their player bases for the selling of expansions.
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Quraswren
09.24.2012 , 12:47 PM | #429
Quote: Originally Posted by Eightus View Post
I agree with what most people are saying. If they make me pay for a content update(Makeb) then I am unsubbing and leaving the game, its just as simple as that really. As much as I love the story the game has provided me so far, I will quit. I will finish up the Imperial Agent storyline and then I am gone. And as someone else said before me, this is not a threat, after all i am just one of your many(wont be that many if you make us pay for a content update) subscribers. All I am saying is that I refuse to have my customer rights abused by a greedy company such as EA.
For you and all the others, whats your cut off content amount before it becomes an expansion you would need to pay for?

Whats your limit of expecting content for your $15 a month and expecting to pay for an expansion?

Looking at something as simple as DCUO - A new set of powers, a duo and an operation is worth $10 and subscribers get it for free. Seems very reasonable. Either pay $10 to get access to it or pay $15 a month to get access to it (as well as everything else)

Where is your cutoff? Most posts I see no one can tell as they just yell, "I should get all content if I pay $15." Which is not true.

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Urael
09.24.2012 , 12:51 PM | #430
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
Where is your cutoff? Most posts I see no one can tell as they just yell, "I should get all content if I pay $15." Which is not true.
I think historically in the MMORPG industry, an expansion is equal to any time there is a raise in level CAP. Usually this is accompanied by a bunch of content ( not just one raid, etc.), plus some over-hall to game mechanics, and quite possibly a new class and or race.