They are already discussing milking the subscribers

if they charge for it i'm not buying it nor will I give them another dime, it is not nearly enough content to be called an expansion. one planet does not = expansion worthy of charging for.

Nonsense. You are extracting out of context from the ToS.

Believe what you like, but if you consult an attorney on the statements in the ToS they will help you correct your thinking.

You're preaching to the choir here. Subs are annoying, especially after having paid for the core game. All I'm saying is that when you agree to buy and subscribe to an MMO, you are only fooling yourself if you think they have some contractual obligation to provide regular content updates in exchange for your sub. They don't. They certainly imply it, such as the often thrown around quote by James about giving players a good value, but that means nothing.

Regardless, most MMO's do provide some level of free content, but none are bound by any sort of development code or EULA contract. They try and do it because it's good for business.

Our rights, as consumers, are limited to simply not paying for the subscription for whatever reason we think appropriate. Nothing more.

I dont care about suing. I care about right and wrong. What the company is doing is wrong. It is not nonsense to think you will get a bunch of free content updates when James Ohlen says "after that the content will roll out month after month after month... its exciting. We want to customers to feel like they are getting their moneys worth"

Im sorry its not nonsense. Look, you love the game and nothing they do is going to change that. I respect that. Now please respect why we dont. To argue with almost 2 million people that quit the game, should tell you something. We all quit for our own various reasons, but alot of the reasons were near identical. I assure you that it had nothing to do with not affording 15 bucks a month.

Yeah, I get what you are saying. They arent LEGALLY obligated to give us anything. Im not disputing that. Just like I wouldnt dispute that im legally obligated to keep paying them. Im arguing that its poor customer service. I think we agree here.

No, I think it is happening. Every EA title in the last year and a half has missed estimates. There is a big reason for it, and the vote for Worst company in America. People are tired of the EA rip off machine and are moving on. EA, in general, is in trouble and if they don't do something to turn around their image soon, the will eventually hit the dead pile.

And neither are we LEGALLY obligated to purchase from EA. Companies can rest on their legal laurels and contracts all they like, but they survive on revenue and profit. Too many have forgotten that and thus why too many companies are getting mashed now a days.

Legally, he is wrong. Morally he is right.

Ultimately, his point of view is the only one that matters, because he, as player, can elect to pay for a product, or not pay.

This is not a legal contest and has never been one. It is about making us, the players, want to pay for their product. And they aren`t doing a very good job.

IMO, I DO hope this game to get better and strive in the new F2P era. But I won`t pay for content that should have been mine to begin with - Makeb and any patch bundle they might push down my throat. Because there won`t really be ANY reason to have a sub, if we need to pay for new content. And that is my legal right, too

The plain and simple fact they have been promising a lot and not delivering. There minds are more wish washy then a 10 year old girls looking for a pair of pants. I speak for myself i will be unsubbing and deleting this game from my hard drive. As for the collectors edition statue i over payed for ill have me a lil fire. Any of the expansions that i payed for with WOW were a hell of a lot more content than what is being offered right now to us with makeb even with the five levels. I mean look at all the content you got with lich king and Cata. Especially burning crusade i mean really to say this is a expansion is pretty pathetic. If they consider this a expansion and TRY to make subs pay then well they will officially kill this game. People need to stop drinking the kool aid and think for themselves. Read all the information given out to you and make your own decision. I have my doubts on wether people will do this but hey. Stop drinking the koolaid and start thinking for yourself. I think you will realize given the amount of bs we've been fed over and over again its a very distinct possibility that they will try to make us pay or bend us over in some way shape or form. I for one am gonna wait and see what happens give em a chance before i go insane. Maybe they'll actually listen to the community this time.

Same here. Bioware's backpedal on the Makeb issue shows how much EA is running the show these days. First, they assured sub users that they wouldn't be charging for Makeb. Now it's 'up in the air'. Thats total BS. How long does one planet really last in the game? Maybe a few days if you work a full time job? You can't compare one planet to normal MMO expansions. Just look at WoW (BC, WTOLK, Cata), LOTRO (Mines of Moria, Siege of Mirkwood, Rise of Isengard, adn now Riders of Rohan), or Rift (Storm Legion). THESE are legitimate expansions. The amount of content can keep most users going for more then a few days. Dropping one planet with about 10 hours of content is not an MMO expansion. It may count as DLC in a single player game, but MMOs are run differently.

Personally, I think EA is pulling the same crap that they usually do and trying to milk every cent out of something before they pull the plug. I'm waiting to see what happens before I cancel my sub, but with EA's track record, I'm not exactly confident. Oh, and plugging quality of life features (which should have been in game from day one) does not count as content update. Seriously, this game is 8 months old and Soa is still buggy as hell (We won't go into the 1-3 second lag spikes for HM EC. That just makes things more interesting anyway...lol).

PS: Had to repost here since they closed the other thread.