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Soluss
08.20.2012 , 02:53 PM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
Oh I agree that they've promised more than they've delivered, by far. But my subscription never hinged on getting new content every month or so. The last thing I'm going to do is complain about having the option to not subscribe and still get to play a significant portion of the game, and certainly whole class stories. And if I want to keep access to everything the game has to offer? I keep subscribing, which is exactly what I would have to do if the whole F2P thing never came up.

People are freaking out over nothing.
It doesnt bother me that I didnt get content every month. What bothers me is I feel we are still due content. I feel that Makeb was an update that should have been 1.4 or 1.5. I feel we are still due operations and warzones. I feel that atleast some of it should have been this month...at the very least next month. What bothers me is Makeb is being consider to make us pay extra for it. If it was a true expansion AND I felt I got appropriate content updating up to that point, then I wouldnt mind an expansion. I dont feel that way though. I dont feel we have gotten that appropriate "Free content updating" to justify already paying for an expansion.

Another guy will say I am advertising for another game but Im not. Im simply using that other game as a comparison to show what I feel is getting your content moneys worth. Look at here: http://www.riftgame.com/en/game/updates/conquest.php Go through all those updates and look what they have added, to the game. Look at just the first 8-9 months to make a comparison to what we have recieved here. Now go here: http://stormlegion.riftgame.com/en/ and look at what they are doing for their first expansion. Two different games that launched about 6 months apart. If BW had done with this game, that Trion did with theres... I would have been perfectly happy.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
08.20.2012 , 02:56 PM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by pocketthesaurus View Post
Are you so sure? They said Makeb would be meaty.

Anyway, anytime there is a level cap being raised, it's probably an expansion.
They also said we would get content month after month after month. They also said at one point Makeb would be free. They also said they would never go F2P .... in their words "A free to play model could never put out the quality of content then we can in our sub model". They also said alot of other things that never happend.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Taorus
08.20.2012 , 03:06 PM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Because when you implement a level curve... that is not going to drastically change. It would throw balance way off. You follow that same curve or you adjust the initial curve. I highly doubt they are going to steepen the curve to accomodate future levels. That would require more leveling content. Come on man, if you played other MMOs then you know how the level process works. You are not going to all of a sudden jump into hellish levels. If it takes you 10 hours to go from 45 - 50 then it will probably take you 12 to go from 50-55.
Some folks have yet to reach 50...I have been playing since Early release reached 50 a few weeks ago. Just because something was done one way it cannot be changed.

We have no clue on all that it will entail no. What I do know is that they said there would not be any class story on Makeb. correct There will not be any companion story on Makeb. Correct again. It will be world arc story. On a roll now. What I do know is they talked about another raid , warzone and some space missions and hk-51 in the same time frame. They talked about all this indicating it was a content update they had in the works....similar to 1.2 What I do know is that was consider to be in the pipeline for a soon to be content update. So, if you want to analyze it.... it would seem that they are changing that. They will package it all together and call it an expansion. What that would also mean is we will see no new content until that expansion hits. See here is where you went wrong. They have stated clearly this is coming before Makeb. Your attempted fear mongering at its best. In the very Interview you cite, Jeff makes a candid point to Identify the various teams. Its just as easy to say that one team is working on the up-coming content, with another working on Makeb. But you know that...you are just fear mongering.

They dont have enough time to create new content for the next update and create an expansion worthy content to package with Makeb. The only way for them to do it is to put it all in with Makeb. Again... that would mean that supposed content update was put off and packaged into an "expansion" which means we arent getting content updates. Either Makeb is bare bones and not expansion worthy or it has all that wrapped into it but its what we should have gotten in 1.4. Either way that works out is shady.
So...lacking any evidence you are going to continue hyperbole and fear mongering.
And WoW did it with Cataclysm, Two very small leveling zones...and 5 levels....but they did it for $39.99US.

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Shadezilla
08.20.2012 , 03:20 PM | #244
Quote: Originally Posted by Taorus View Post
So...lacking any evidence you are going to continue hyperbole and fear mongering.
And WoW did it with Cataclysm, Two very small leveling zones...and 5 levels....but they did it for $39.99US.
I have not played WoW since about maybe 4 months in to Cataclysm but there was more than 2 zones added with Cataclysm, there was also (going from memory too lazy to go look) the addition of the Worgan and Goblins revamped world from 1-60 not to mention the new dungeons and raids that it launched with as well. I don't know what will be in Makeb but it does not sound like the scale will match but I doubt based on the information we are given and the question of who is testing it that it will be on that scale. If it is I would consider paying on top of my subscription.
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AshenK
08.20.2012 , 03:24 PM | #245
Don't worry they won't be milking anyone. Why?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavi...-on-valuation/

With the dev's not talking today at all, and little news coming out about anything the players are asking for I think that sums it just about up. Too much money has been lost and is being lost on this game.

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mothear
08.20.2012 , 03:25 PM | #246
Quote: Originally Posted by Taorus View Post
So...lacking any evidence you are going to continue hyperbole and fear mongering.
And WoW did it with Cataclysm, Two very small leveling zones...and 5 levels....but they did it for $39.99US.
Whilst I'm far from a hater I believe that you are clutching at straws here. From my recollection they said that Makeb and the space station mission may not be available for 1.4 (originally trailed as August) but would be available by the end of the year. You have to bear in mind that F2P had not been announced at this stage so as it was not labelled at the time as an expansion I believe those comments are fair.

On your WoW point, whilst I have no desire or willingness to return to that game at least tell the truth when you are describing the expansion.

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Surakis
08.20.2012 , 03:26 PM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by Leiralei View Post
No MMO has ever charged for beta testing like this one has, either.
Laughably false. Which ones haven't?
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Smuglebunny
08.20.2012 , 03:29 PM | #248
Lol Im not giving you any more money. silly execs.

When EVERYTHING wrong is fixed let me know. Until then you would have to be rich or foolish to keep getting stolen from.

This game MIGHT be ready for RELEASE in Dec of 2012. Maybe.

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Taorus
08.20.2012 , 03:30 PM | #249
Quote: Originally Posted by Shadezilla View Post
I have not played WoW since about maybe 4 months in to Cataclysm but there was more than 2 zones added with Cataclysm, there was also (going from memory too lazy to go look) the addition of the Worgan and Goblins revamped world from 1-60 not to mention the new dungeons and raids that it launched with as well. I don't know what will be in Makeb but it does not sound like the scale will match but I doubt based on the information we are given and the question of who is testing it that it will be on that scale. If it is I would consider paying on top of my subscription.
Yes two new zones,two new races 5 dungeons and 2 small...very small raids. Yes the re-did the old zones(they had to make flying and other things work) But that is not new content...just old re-hashed rubbish. after waiting for 11 months Between LK and the X-pac...11 months. Makeb we know little..next to nothing, But lets see New Planet(Multi-Zones) uncertain new levels...Cathar(New Race)...for what may...Or may not be a additional cost. Looks like something folks have already in the market purchase.

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Andryah
08.20.2012 , 03:32 PM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Rift put out an amazing amount of content. If effort = subs they'd have more than WoW at this moment.
Which highlights an interesting point about the MMO community IMO.

They say if you give them content, they will stay and play. Yet, they don't.

Rift suffered ~65% attrition in it's first 6-8 months, all the while content continued to stream. it gets a lot of credit as an MMO that knows how to push good content, yet even today, it's at about 30% of it's launch population. It's fairly stable, but all those alleged loyal content junkies, they never came back to the game.

Is that Trion's fault?? or is that on the community??
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