They are already discussing milking the subscribers

But there is a guareentee you won't have access to the vanilla game.

As for speculation, if you never think about anything till AFTER it has happened, then you will also never stop or change anything in life.

I choose to try to change bad things.

Because, in the past, people felt they were getting their moneys worth. Those people no longer do. There is a difference between paying money and getting content that you feel you should get and told you would... and paying money to have them turn around and not give it to you. Go on and say there was no promise of content... see my sig.

I don't know, that might be under baked too.

Because as soon as you stop you lose it, unlike LOTRO, where you still have access to all the content you previously had access to as a subscriber.

Now IF they were including ALL content in a sub price (like Makeb) then they'd maybe have some justification for that, but otherwise it's still just selling things twice.


No I'd much rather pay a subscription fee and have NO "F2P" option, much, much rather. I run several subs as one time and this in no problem for me.

I just don't like the idea of being gouged by a company trying to re-sell me stuff I have already in fact paid for once.

Except that the excuse for having us pay a subscription model is updates and new content. I haven't seen $135 worth of updates and new content.

Oh I agree that they've promised more than they've delivered, by far. But my subscription never hinged on getting new content every month or so. The last thing I'm going to do is complain about having the option to not subscribe and still get to play a significant portion of the game, and certainly whole class stories. And if I want to keep access to everything the game has to offer? I keep subscribing, which is exactly what I would have to do if the whole F2P thing never came up.

People are freaking out over nothing.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Are you so sure? They said Makeb would be meaty.

Anyway, anytime there is a level cap being raised, it's probably an expansion.

They've said many things about Makeb, some already are turning out to be untrue.

Never mind RvR etc.

Because when you implement a level curve... that is not going to drastically change. It would throw balance way off. You follow that same curve or you adjust the initial curve. I highly doubt they are going to steepen the curve to accomodate future levels. That would require more leveling content. Come on man, if you played other MMOs then you know how the level process works. You are not going to all of a sudden jump into hellish levels. If it takes you 10 hours to go from 45 - 50 then it will probably take you 12 to go from 50-55.

We have no clue on all that it will entail no. What I do know is that they said there would not be any class story on Makeb. There will not be any companion story on Makeb. It will be world arc story. What I do know is they talked about another raid , warzone and some space missions and hk-51 in the same time frame. They talked about all this indicating it was a content update they had in the works....similar to 1.2 What I do know is that was consider to be in the pipeline for a soon to be content update. So, if you want to analyze it.... it would seem that they are changing that. They will package it all together and call it an expansion. What that would also mean is we will see no new content until that expansion hits.

They dont have enough time to create new content for the next update and create an expansion worthy content to package with Makeb. The only way for them to do it is to put it all in with Makeb. Again... that would mean that supposed content update was put off and packaged into an "expansion" which means we arent getting content updates. Either Makeb is bare bones and not expansion worthy or it has all that wrapped into it but its what we should have gotten in 1.4. Either way that works out is shady.