They are already discussing milking the subscribers

The new FTP has even been given a title.

Return of the Empire. A new day dawns for the Sith.

What you thought Bioware was pro republic? Fools...

And thats what I envision Makeb to be. Its 1 planet and 5 levels. How long did Hoth take you, for instance?

Also 15 bucks a month, that we already pay, is suppose to include content updates. To date, we havent had much in line of content updating. To come out with an "expansion", after there has hardly been any content updates, to me is poor money grab.

Nope you get 150 cartel coins per month of subs to 31st July, 200 after that, plus 1000 if you bought the CE.

My maths suggest that you will have 1500 assuming a mid November move to F2P

They should have just started started the game out as B2P and then changed it to be subbed based when it wasn't doing well like it is now, at least then i wouldn't be wondering where the hell all of the money I have given them each month has gone.

If they in fact mean that you will have enough cartel coins to outright buy all the content you had access too as a subscriber as a new F2P player then fair enough.

However I'd be surprised if all that sold for as little as 1350 cartel coins, massively surprised in fact.

I wouldn't be suprised if a FP didn't go for much more than 1000.

and yet you felt the need to go off half cocked when you don't have a single clue as to what Makeb ETC will be\include.

I agree with you for the F2Pers. What I am saying is those of us who purchased and subbed for the game should keep what we already paid for when it goes F2P. If we were subbers up to that point, and opt to go F2P, then any future content should be purchased as normal under the model. If we maintain our subs, then future content should be provided as part of that sub. But, they should not be taking away stuff you already have paid for in any event and then expect you to pay for it again if you opt for the F2P route.

What I just described is exactly how LOTRO handled it. What you had already paid for you kept, but new stuff had to be purchased or was provided if you maintained a sub (or had purchased a lifetime sub). EA wants to take away stuff we have already paid for, unless we maintain a subscription. Which is complete bullocks.

LotRO went F2P long after having a successful sub only model with expansions. If you want to go down line by line and itemize what various people did or didn't get for "free" you'll just work yourself into a tizzy fit. The basic principle is the same, however. Give the core game away for free, but charge for new content and end-game stuff.

Stay subscribed if that's not good enough for you.

You dont have to wonder... all that money went towards the new "expansion" and the F2P conversion

But that's the point they aren't giving subscribers that bought the core game and paid a sub for it for 1 year the core game for free.

You only get it IF you continue your subscription, which is basically charging twice for the same thing.


In fact there's no guareentee under that system that if you subscribe and have to buy Makeb and then go F2P that you'll have full access to Makeb either.